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* However, the Tur disagrees with the Rambam that it is permitted to place a bucket under the water. The Back 338:6 explains that it is permitted since one is only doing so to avoid my house from getting dirty with dirty water on the floor. Therefore it isn't considered creating a graf shel reey initially. Taz 338:4 explains that the Tur holds that it isn't creating a a graf shel reey since the situation of a leek already existed.</ref> If it is a room where you are dwelling and it will be unpleasant in a case of great need there is a leniency to put the bucket to collect water.<ref>Chaye Adam 67:26, Biur Halacha 338:8</ref> | * However, the Tur disagrees with the Rambam that it is permitted to place a bucket under the water. The Back 338:6 explains that it is permitted since one is only doing so to avoid my house from getting dirty with dirty water on the floor. Therefore it isn't considered creating a graf shel reey initially. Taz 338:4 explains that the Tur holds that it isn't creating a a graf shel reey since the situation of a leek already existed.</ref> If it is a room where you are dwelling and it will be unpleasant in a case of great need there is a leniency to put the bucket to collect water.<ref>Chaye Adam 67:26, Biur Halacha 338:8</ref> | ||
# One could solve the issue by putting non-muktzeh such as toys in the bucket before putting underneath the leak.<ref>Orchot Shabbat v. 2 p. 182</ref> | # One could solve the issue by putting non-muktzeh such as toys in the bucket before putting underneath the leak.<ref>Orchot Shabbat v. 2 p. 182</ref> | ||
# It is permitted to wash one's hands in the morning or for mayim achronim and then take that container and dump it out since that water is considered a graf shel reey.<ref>Biur Halacha 338:8 s.v. asur, Orchot Shabbat v. 2 p. 183</ref> | |||
# Some hold that it is permitted to eat normally and put the muktzeh shells, peels, and seeds on the plate even though the result is going to be a graf shel reey and that isn't considered making it a graf shel reey initially.<ref> Shitah Mikubeset 21b s.v. vchi writes that eating and leaving the shells and bones isn’t considered making a graf shel reey initially. Orchot Shabbat v. 2 p. 180 and Shiurim Bhalacha Shabbat p. 421 accept this. This might be implied by Mishna Brurah 308:115. | |||
* However, Maggid Mishna Shabbat 26:16 and Meiri 143a say it is forbidden to put one’s muktzeh seeds on a plate in front of oneself rather one should throw them away immediately as one eats. Rav Elyashiv cited in Shvut Yitzchak Muktzeh 9:7 and Dirshu 308:144 asserts that even according to Rambam you could eat if you would need to move it even after you drop it on the floor behind yourself. | |||
* To explain why it is permitted in light of Beitzah 21b that it is forbidden to invite a non-Jew on Yom Tov because doing so would create a graf shel reey Orchot Shabbat explains that inviting a non-Jew is considered out of the ordinary.</ref> | |||
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