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# Playing basketball is permitted with respect to the concern of flattening the ground.<ref>Byitzchak Yikareh on m"b 308:158 writes that since basketball is played on paved ground there's no concern of flattening the ground.</ref> | # Playing basketball is permitted with respect to the concern of flattening the ground.<ref>Byitzchak Yikareh on m"b 308:158 writes that since basketball is played on paved ground there's no concern of flattening the ground.</ref> | ||
===Are Balls and Games Muktzeh?=== | ===Are Balls and Games Muktzeh?=== | ||
# A play-ball according to some Sephardic poskim is [[Muktzeh]]<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 308:45 writes that a ball is muktzeh. It is based on the Shibolei Haleket 121 and Agur 521. Why is a ball muktzeh? | # A play-ball according to some Sephardic poskim is [[Muktzeh]],<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 308:45 writes that a ball is muktzeh. It is based on the Shibolei Haleket 121 and Agur 521. Why is a ball muktzeh? | ||
* Gra 308:90 explains that the Yerushalmi holds it is forbidden to play ball and as such balls are muktzeh. This is implied by the Bet Yosef who cited the Yerushalmi as a proof for the prohibition. | * Gra 308:90 explains that the Yerushalmi holds it is forbidden to play ball and as such balls are muktzeh. This is implied by the Bet Yosef who cited the Yerushalmi as a proof for the prohibition. | ||
* Magen Avraham 308:72 explains that the ball isn’t designated to be non-muktzeh. Pri Megadim E”A 308:72 explains that a child’s intent is insufficient to designate muktzeh to be used. Furthermore, he adds that the child must not have used it once before Shabbat, otherwise it would be non-muktzeh. Machasit Hashekel 308:72 implies a similar approach. | * Magen Avraham 308:72 explains that the ball isn’t designated to be non-muktzeh. Pri Megadim E”A 308:72 explains that a child’s intent is insufficient to designate muktzeh to be used. Furthermore, he adds that the child must not have used it once before Shabbat, otherwise it would be non-muktzeh. Machasit Hashekel 308:72 implies a similar approach. | ||
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* Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 308:84; authored by Rav Yitzchak Yosef) writes one should follow Shulchan Aruch 308:45 that considers all balls to be [[Muktzeh]]. [http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=19979&pgnum=235 Sh”t Or Letzion 2:26:8] writes that a ball is considered [[Muktzah]] for boys and girls above Bar and Bat mitzvah. Other games are generally not [[muktzah]] but should preferably be treated as [[muktzah]] and not moved. Mekor Neeman 414 is also strict. | * Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 308:84; authored by Rav Yitzchak Yosef) writes one should follow Shulchan Aruch 308:45 that considers all balls to be [[Muktzeh]]. [http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=19979&pgnum=235 Sh”t Or Letzion 2:26:8] writes that a ball is considered [[Muktzah]] for boys and girls above Bar and Bat mitzvah. Other games are generally not [[muktzah]] but should preferably be treated as [[muktzah]] and not moved. Mekor Neeman 414 is also strict. | ||
* Chazon Ovadia (Shabbat v. 3, p. 99; authored by Rav Ovadia Yosef) rules that nowadays since the balls are made to this purpose they aren't [[Muktzeh]]. | * Chazon Ovadia (Shabbat v. 3, p. 99; authored by Rav Ovadia Yosef) rules that nowadays since the balls are made to this purpose they aren't [[Muktzeh]]. | ||
* Rabbi Hershel Schachter (Gemara Shabbos Shiur 87) explained in shiur that chazal patterned the prohibition of tiltul keilim after the biblical guidelines in hilchos tumah. Consequently, the Shulchan Aruch felt that since a ball is not considered a kli in regards to hilchos tumah it cannot be considered a kli and is therefore muktzah on Shabbos. See Shibolei Haleket who seems to support this point.</ref> | * Rabbi Hershel Schachter (Gemara Shabbos Shiur 87) explained in shiur that chazal patterned the prohibition of tiltul keilim after the biblical guidelines in hilchos tumah. Consequently, the Shulchan Aruch felt that since a ball is not considered a kli in regards to hilchos tumah it cannot be considered a kli and is therefore muktzah on Shabbos. See Shibolei Haleket who seems to support this point.</ref> while Ashkenazic poskim hold it’s Kli Sh’Melachto LeHeter <ref> For Ashkenazim the Rama 308:45 certainly considers balls to be non-[[Muktzeh]]. Rav Moshe Feinstein quoted by Sefer Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 22 note 16), Rav Elyashiv in Shalmei Yehuda (pg 91), and Sh"t [[Shevet Halevi]] 9:78 agree.</ref> | ||
# For Sephardim some hold that all games are muktzeh,<ref>Rav Meir Mazuz in Mekor Neeman 414 writes that games and balls are all muktzeh since the fact that you play with them doesn't make them into a kli. For children unless they will listen it is better not to tell them since they won't listen.</ref> while others disagree.<ref>[http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=19979&pgnum=235 Or Letzion 2:26:8], Chazon Ovadia (Shabbat v. 3, p. 99). Or Letzion writes that balls are muktzeh since they don't have a use and playing isn't a use. Accordingly, perhaps games are also muktzeh. Maybe they aren't since they are clean enough to cover a pot with toys aren't muktzeh. Yet, according to those who say that balls are muktzeh because ball playing is forbidden but it isn't clear that applies to all toys.</ref> | # For Sephardim some hold that all games are muktzeh,<ref>Rav Meir Mazuz in Mekor Neeman 414 writes that games and balls are all muktzeh since the fact that you play with them doesn't make them into a kli. For children unless they will listen it is better not to tell them since they won't listen.</ref> while others disagree.<ref>[http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=19979&pgnum=235 Or Letzion 2:26:8], Chazon Ovadia (Shabbat v. 3, p. 99). Or Letzion writes that balls are muktzeh since they don't have a use and playing isn't a use. Accordingly, perhaps games are also muktzeh. Maybe they aren't since they are clean enough to cover a pot with toys aren't muktzeh. Yet, according to those who say that balls are muktzeh because ball playing is forbidden but it isn't clear that applies to all toys.</ref> | ||
