Food That Comes During a Meal: Difference between revisions

# All foods that are part of a meal in order to accompany the bread or fill one’s appetite are covered by the Bracha [[HaMotzei]] on the bread and don’t require their own [[Brachot]]. <Ref> Shulchan Aruch 177:1  

* In the Gemara [[Brachot]] 41b, Rav Papa states that food which are eaten as part of the meal during the meal don’t require any Bracha and foods which are eaten not in context of the meal during the meal require a [[Bracha Rishona]] and not [[Bracha Achrona]]. Tosfot (D”H Hilchata) explains that the first category means to include foods which are normally eaten as the main part of the meal like meat, fish, vegetables, oatmeal. The second category includes foods which are not normally eaten as the main part of the meal like fruit. This explanation is accepted by the Rosh ([[Brachot]] 6:26), Bahag (quoted by Rosh), Rabbanu Yonah (29b s.v. VeRabbenu Yitzchak) in name of the Ri HaZaken, Mordechai ([[Brachot]] Siman 135), Smag (quoted by Bet Yosef 177:1), and Hagahot Maimon 4:20. The Tur and S”A 177:1 codify this explanation as the halacha. (Tosfot is in disagreement with Rashi Brachot 41b s.v. dvarim habayim machmat haseuda who holds that only food that one eats together in the same bite as bread is exempt. Baal Hameor Brachot 29a s.v. amar agrees.)

# There’s a considerable dispute regarding ice cream and there’s what to rely on make the Bracha but it’s preferable to make the Bracha on another food that certainly requires a [[Shehakol]] during a meal. <Ref>Halachos of [[Brachos]] (chap 5 , pg 87) quoting Rav Shlomo Zalman, Vezot HaBracha (chap 8, pg 74 note 8) quoting Rav Elyashiv and Rav Pinchas Sheinburg, and Shevet HaLevi 1:205:174 all hold that ice cream in a meal requires a bracha since it is clearly a snack. However, Vezot Habracha (chap 8, pg 74 note 8) quotes Rav Moshe Feinstein as holding that no bracha is made on ice cream as dessert in a meal. Similarly, Vayishma Moshe v. 2 p. 79 quoting Rav Elyashiv writes that dessert doesn't require a bracha since it is commonly brought at the end of the meal. However, it is better to eat them with a little bread to exempt them. </ref> Some Sephardim hold that one shouldn’t make a Bracha on ice cream in a meal but rather should cover it with another [[Shehakol]], but some hold that one may make a bracha on ice cream in a meal. <Ref>Yalkut Yosef ([[Brachot]] pg 198, 807 and Sherit Yosef vol 3, pg 299) quoting his father Rav Ovadyah Yosef writes that no bracha is made on ice cream as dessert but it is preferable to save it for after birkat hamazon to make a bracha on it. [However, Halacha Brurah 177:13 also quotes his father Rav Ovadyah Yosef but quotes him as saying the opposite that one should make a bracha on ice cream in a meal.] Or Letzion (vol 2, 12:12) and Birkat Hashem 3:10:73:1 write that one should make a bracha on ice cream as dessert.</ref>  

# [[Mezonot]] which isn’t similar to bread at all requires a Bracha if eaten as a dessert. Examples include: Bisli, puffed rice in chocolate, (or rice crispy treats), and Kabukim (peanuts with dough coating). <Ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 74-5, chapter 8). Birkat Hashem v. 3 10:77 agrees that Bisli requires a bracha for dessert. </ref> However, if one eats the [[mezonot]] to satiate it doesn’t require a Bracha in any case. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 75, chapter 8), Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 95, chapter 5) </ref> Some include wafers. <Ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 484, addendum 2) writes that the dough of wafers is so thin it isn’t a bread family food and accordingly it requires a Bracha if eaten as dessert. However, Vezot HaBracha (pg 26, chapter 4) writes in name of Rav Pinchas Shienburg that wafers aren’t in the bread family, but questions it and leaves it unresolved. </ref>

 

# In general, Pas HaBah BeKisnin such as cake, cookies, and biscuits don’t require a Bracha during the meal even if eaten as a dessert. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 75, chapter 8)

* Interestingly, although Tosfot and Rosh hold that a bracha is required for pat haba bkisnin, the opinion of the Rashba 41a s.v. vepat haba bkisnin, Ritva Hilchot Brachot 3:1, Raah Brachot 42a s.v. matniten birach, Meiri Brachot 42a s.v. berach al haparperet is that no bracha is made upon pat haba bkisnin at all. Bet Yosef 177:1-2 cites the Rashba.</ref>

# The minhag is not to make a Bracha on [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] as dessert unless it fulfills all three requirements of Pas HaBah BeKisnin. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 75, chapter 8) </ref> For example, fruit filled pie fulfills all three requirements and requires a Bracha. <Ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 96, chapter 5) in name of Rav Pinchas Sheinburg writes that apple pie fulfills all three requirements of [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] and so it requires a Bracha, however, if it’s eaten for satiation as is the usual case it doesn’t require a Bracha. See Vezot HaBracha (pg 316, Birur Halacha 39:4(3) writes that there’s a doubt whether the pie crust should be considered crumbling but concludes that there’s room to make a Bracha according to the halacha even if it only fulfills the other two requirements. </ref> Some hold that one should recite mezonot on cakes at the end of the meal.<ref>[https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/896724/rabbi-hershel-schachter/berachos-83-42a-43a-parperes-dessert-birkas-hareiach-hamaschil-bemitzvah-matzah-on-erev-pesach/ Rav Schachter (Brachot Shiur 83 min 12-17)] explains that Rav Moshe's opinion was that the cakes and cookies today are very sweet and are certainly Pat Haba Bkisnin and as such one should recite a bracha of Mezonot on them for dessert. He added that generally a person is full before dessert and as such it would require a bracha unless one is actually hungry and eating dessert to fill oneself up.</ref>

## Sufganiyot (doughnuts) filled with jelly,  

## cake with a filler (cream, jelly) unless if the filler is a thick independent layer

## chocolate covered cookies or biscuits,  

## sandwich cookies,  

## pie (if shell is made with majority of ingredients in comparison to the water),

## Kabukim (peanuts with flour based coating) <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (Birur Halacha 12, pg 241-3) </ref>

## make a [[mezonot]] on something that certainly requires a [[mezonot]] during a meal and it will cover all other [[mezonot]],

## eat a little [[mezonot]] before the meal and intend that it should cover the other [[mezonot]] during the meal,

## when making the [[HaMotzei]] have intention that the bread should cover the other [[mezonot]]

## eat the [[mezonot]] cakes after the [[Birkat HaMazon]]

## or make a [[Shehakol]] on something that certainly requires a [[Shehakol]] during a meal and have intent to cover the [[mezonot]]. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 75-6, chapter 8) </ref>

# Sephardim hold that no bracha is made on pat haba bkisnin in a meal even if it fulfills all three conditions.<ref>Halacha Brurah 168:29 since we are concerned for the opinion of the Rashba and Safek Brachot Lehakel. Birkat Hashem v. 3 10:76 agrees. Yalkut Yosef 177:3 argues that one has what to rely upon to recite a bracha for a pat haba bkisnin that fulfills all three conditions. He explains that the Rashba would agree that a bracha is recited on pat haba bkisnin if eaten as dessert and he only meant that it doesn't have a bracha when it is part of the main course.</ref>