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* The Rosh Brachot 6:30 writes that one recite a mezonot on lachmaniyot in the middle of a meal. This is also the opinion of Tosfot 41b s.v. elah, Tosfot HaRosh 42a s.v. lachmaniyot, and Rabbenu Yonah Brachot 29a s.v. vomrim. Even though the Mishna 42a states that parperet in a meal is exempt and Tosfot, Rosh, and Rabbenu Yonah explain that to mean cooked bread which is mezonot, the Magen Avraham 168:22 explains that it is exempt if a person is eating them as an appetizer to whet one's appetite. Generally, though the mezonot does require a bracha. That is the ruling of Shulchan Aruch 168:8 based on the Tosfot, Rosh, Tur, and Rabbenu Yerucham. The Magen Avraham expands the Rosh to all pat haba bkisnin as is evident in the rishonim. | * The Rosh Brachot 6:30 writes that one recite a mezonot on lachmaniyot in the middle of a meal. This is also the opinion of Tosfot 41b s.v. elah, Tosfot HaRosh 42a s.v. lachmaniyot, and Rabbenu Yonah Brachot 29a s.v. vomrim. Even though the Mishna 42a states that parperet in a meal is exempt and Tosfot, Rosh, and Rabbenu Yonah explain that to mean cooked bread which is mezonot, the Magen Avraham 168:22 explains that it is exempt if a person is eating them as an appetizer to whet one's appetite. Generally, though the mezonot does require a bracha. That is the ruling of Shulchan Aruch 168:8 based on the Tosfot, Rosh, Tur, and Rabbenu Yerucham. The Magen Avraham expands the Rosh to all pat haba bkisnin as is evident in the rishonim. | ||
* The Biur Halacha 168:8 s.v. teunin points out that because of the dispute about what is pat haba bkisnin one should generally not recite mezonot in a meal since according to some opinions it is considered bread. He concludes that the minhag is not to recite mezonot in a meal unless they fulfill all three conditions of pat haba bkisnin. He adds that someone has what to rely upon to recite the bracha as long as it fulfills the conditions of being sweet dough and filled. | * The Biur Halacha 168:8 s.v. teunin points out that because of the dispute about what is pat haba bkisnin one should generally not recite mezonot in a meal since according to some opinions it is considered bread. He concludes that the minhag is not to recite mezonot in a meal unless they fulfill all three conditions of pat haba bkisnin. He adds that someone has what to rely upon to recite the bracha as long as it fulfills the conditions of being sweet dough and filled. | ||
* Interestingly, although Tosfot and Rosh hold that a bracha is required for pat haba bkisnin, the opinion of the Rashba 41a s.v. vepat haba bkisnin | * Interestingly, although Tosfot and Rosh hold that a bracha is required for pat haba bkisnin, the opinion of the Rashba 41a s.v. vepat haba bkisnin, Ritva Hilchot Brachot 3:1, Raah Brachot 42a s.v. matniten birach, Meiri Brachot 42a s.v. berach al haparperet is that no bracha is made upon pat haba bkisnin at all. Bet Yosef 177:1-2 cites the Rashba.</ref> | ||
# The minhag is not to make a Bracha on [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] as dessert unless it fulfills all three requirements of Pas HaBah BeKisnin. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 75, chapter 8) </ref> For example, fruit filled pie fulfills all three requirements and requires a Bracha. <Ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 96, chapter 5) in name of Rav Pinchas Sheinburg writes that apple pie fulfills all three requirements of [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] and so it requires a Bracha, however, if it’s eaten for satiation as is the usual case it doesn’t require a Bracha. See Vezot HaBracha (pg 316, Birur Halacha 39:4(3) writes that there’s a doubt whether the pie crust should be considered crumbling but concludes that there’s room to make a Bracha according to the halacha even if it only fulfills the other two requirements. </ref> Some hold that one should recite mezonot on cakes at the end of the meal.<ref>[https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/896724/rabbi-hershel-schachter/berachos-83-42a-43a-parperes-dessert-birkas-hareiach-hamaschil-bemitzvah-matzah-on-erev-pesach/ Rav Schachter (Brachot Shiur 83 min 12-17)] explains that Rav Moshe's opinion was that the cakes and cookies today are very sweet and are certainly Pat Haba Bkisnin and as such one should recite a bracha of Mezonot on them for dessert. He added that generally a person is full before dessert and as such it would require a bracha unless one is actually hungry and eating dessert to fill oneself up.</ref> | # The minhag is not to make a Bracha on [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] as dessert unless it fulfills all three requirements of Pas HaBah BeKisnin. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 75, chapter 8) </ref> For example, fruit filled pie fulfills all three requirements and requires a Bracha. <Ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 96, chapter 5) in name of Rav Pinchas Sheinburg writes that apple pie fulfills all three requirements of [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] and so it requires a Bracha, however, if it’s eaten for satiation as is the usual case it doesn’t require a Bracha. See Vezot HaBracha (pg 316, Birur Halacha 39:4(3) writes that there’s a doubt whether the pie crust should be considered crumbling but concludes that there’s room to make a Bracha according to the halacha even if it only fulfills the other two requirements. </ref> Some hold that one should recite mezonot on cakes at the end of the meal.<ref>[https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/896724/rabbi-hershel-schachter/berachos-83-42a-43a-parperes-dessert-birkas-hareiach-hamaschil-bemitzvah-matzah-on-erev-pesach/ Rav Schachter (Brachot Shiur 83 min 12-17)] explains that Rav Moshe's opinion was that the cakes and cookies today are very sweet and are certainly Pat Haba Bkisnin and as such one should recite a bracha of Mezonot on them for dessert. He added that generally a person is full before dessert and as such it would require a bracha unless one is actually hungry and eating dessert to fill oneself up.</ref> | ||
# However, the strict halacha requires a Bracha even the [[mezonot]] only fulfills the condition of having a sweet filler and having dough made with a majority of ingredients in comparison to the water not counting the flour. Examples include: | # However, the strict halacha requires a Bracha even the [[mezonot]] only fulfills the condition of having a sweet filler and having dough made with a majority of ingredients in comparison to the water not counting the flour. Examples include: | ||
