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===Two Meals in the Morning=== | |||
# In order to start finish chametz by the proper time,<ref>Mishna Brurah 444:4</ref> it is recommended to start davening early and some even suggest skipping the piytum for Shabbat Hagadol or saying them in advance on the previous Shabbat.<ref>Dirshu 444:7 quotes the Pri Magadim MZ 430:1 who says that the yotzrot are said as usual even on Erev Pesach that falls out on Shabbat, Rav Chaim Zonenfeld (Seder Erev Pesach Shchal Bshabbat n. 5) held that they should be skipped, and the Maharil Erev Pesach n. 10 would say them a week in advance.</ref> | # In order to start finish chametz by the proper time,<ref>Mishna Brurah 444:4</ref> it is recommended to start davening early and some even suggest skipping the piytum for Shabbat Hagadol or saying them in advance on the previous Shabbat.<ref>Dirshu 444:7 quotes the Pri Magadim MZ 430:1 who says that the yotzrot are said as usual even on Erev Pesach that falls out on Shabbat, Rav Chaim Zonenfeld (Seder Erev Pesach Shchal Bshabbat n. 5) held that they should be skipped, and the Maharil Erev Pesach n. 10 would say them a week in advance.</ref> | ||
# Some recommend starting davening earlier, and then having two meals with bread before the fifth halachic hour.<ref>Mishna Brurah 444:8 based on the Gra</ref> In order to do this and not have a concern of making unnecessary brachot, [[bracha sheino tzaricha]], one should break up the meals with a little walk out of the house and a short break of 15 to 30 minutes.<ref>Mishna Brurah 444:8 writes that one should make a short break. In the context of breaking up lunch and seuda shelishit on a regular Shabbat, Mishna Brurah 291:5 writes that one should walk around in between. Dirshu 444:14 quotes the Darkei Chayim Vshalom p. 401 as holding that a 15 minute is sufficient, while the Chazon Ish (Igrot Chazon Ish 1:188) would wait 30 minutes. [https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/723458/rabbi-mordechai-i-willig/when-erev-pesach-is-on-shabbos/ Rav Willig (min 9-10)] also did like that.</ref> | # Some recommend starting davening earlier, and then having two meals with bread before the fifth halachic hour.<ref>Mishna Brurah 444:8 based on the Gra</ref> In order to do this and not have a concern of making unnecessary brachot, [[bracha sheino tzaricha]], one should break up the meals with a little walk out of the house and a short break of 15 to 30 minutes.<ref>Mishna Brurah 444:8 writes that one should make a short break. In the context of breaking up lunch and seuda shelishit on a regular Shabbat, Mishna Brurah 291:5 writes that one should walk around in between. Dirshu 444:14 quotes the Darkei Chayim Vshalom p. 401 as holding that a 15 minute is sufficient, while the Chazon Ish (Igrot Chazon Ish 1:188) would wait 30 minutes. [https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/723458/rabbi-mordechai-i-willig/when-erev-pesach-is-on-shabbos/ Rav Willig (min 9-10)] also did like that. [https://images.shulcloud.com/709/uploads/YoungIsraelofWoodmerePesachHalachaBooklet.pdf Rav Schachter] also held 30 minutes without necessitating leaving.</ref> | ||
# Generally the minhag is to have seuda shelishit with cooked matza, | #Sephardim do not have the minhag to have two meals in the morning since they hold that seuda shelishit must be in the afternoon.<Ref>Radvaz 1:489, Kaf Hachaim 444:8, Or Letzion 3:14:1</ref> | ||
===Matzah Balls=== | |||
# Generally the Ashkenazic minhag is to have seuda shelishit with matzah balls or another dish of cooked matza meal.<ref>Mishna Brurah 444:8</ref> | |||
===Meat or Fish=== | |||
# A less ideal solution is to eat meat, fish, or fruit for the seuda shelishit.<ref>Rama 444:1, Mishna Brurah 444:8</reF> | |||
===Egg Matzah=== | |||
#Some Sephardim have the minhag to eat seuda shelishit with egg matzah<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 444:1 writes that this is the solution that he recommends to eat for seuda shelishit. Radvaz 1:489 personally practiced this and held it was the best solution. He in fact says he only would eat a kezayit so that he'd be hungry to eat matzah that night.</ref> and recite mezonot.<Ref>Kaf Hachaim 444:11</ref> Ashkenazim generally do not have this minhag as they do not eat egg matzah for all of Pesach out of a concern that it is chametz.<ref>Rama 444:1</ref> However, others hold that it is permitted and even recommended to eat egg matzah for seuda shelishit.<ref>See Or Zaruah 2:256 s.v. lo yesev who implies that it is permitted to have egg matzah for seuda shelishit on Shabbat. Darkei Moshe Haaruch 444 cites the halacha in 471:2 and implies that it is only forbidden to eat egg matzah after the tenth hour and not after the fourth hour.</ref> | |||
===Cooked Matzah=== | |||
#Sephardim have the minhag to have seuda shelishit with cooked fried matza.<ref>[https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=144287 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Vayakel Pekudei 5781 min 52)] said that sephardim can have deep fried matza for seuda shlishit.</ref> | |||
==Deep Fried Matzah=== | |||
#Sephardim have the minhag to have seuda shelishit with deep fried matza.<ref>[https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=144287 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Vayakel Pekudei 5781 min 52)] said that sephardim can have deep fried matza for seuda shlishit.</ref> Some are concerned that deep fried matzah is forbidden on Erev Pesach.<ref>Pri Megadim 471:8 has a doubt whether deep fried matzah is similar to cooked matzah and therefore it could be forbidden to eat on Erev Pesach. Therefore, Or Letzion 3:14:1 forbids eating deep fried matzah for seuda shelishit. However, Chazon Ovadia is not concerned for the Pri Megadim since the Shulchan Aruch Harav holds certainly deep frying is like cooking.</ref> | |||
===Matzah Meal Cakes=== | |||
#A person should not eat baked matzah meal cakes for seuda shelishit.<ref>Rama 471:2, Mishna Brurah 471:20, Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 8:117, Or Letzion 3:14:1, Piskei Teshuvot 471:3, [https://images.shulcloud.com/709/uploads/YoungIsraelofWoodmerePesachHalachaBooklet.pdf Young Israel of Woodmere Guide]</ref> Some are lenient to eat matzah meal cakes on Erev Pesach since when the batter was made the matzah meal lost its form and appearance of matzah. Nonetheless, it isn't an ideal solution for seuda shelishit even according to this opinion since it is mezonot.<Ref>Halichot Shlomo 8:4 writes that it’s permissible if in the kneading the dough lost its form as bread.</ref> | |||
==Shabbat Menu Restrictions== | ==Shabbat Menu Restrictions== | ||
