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* This piece is in the process of being written until the details about the app are fully explained.
* This piece is in the process of being written until the details about the app are fully explained.
Firstly, let us point out that they have zero rabbinic approbations as they indicate on their site (as of 10/3/14). Saying it is muter before actually getting any approval is a big chutzpa to Orthodox Judaism who takes the rabbinic opinions very seriously. The zaken mamreh who isn't even fit to legislate isn't considered rebellious since he has no credibility yet his audacity and disrespect to the rabbis is greater than the person who is fit to legislate.
Firstly, let us point out that they have zero rabbinic approbations as they indicate on their site (as of 10/3/14). Saying it is muter before actually getting any approval is a big chutzpa to Orthodox Judaism who takes the rabbinic opinions very seriously. The zaken mamreh who isn't even fit to legislate isn't considered rebellious since he has no credibility yet his audacity and disrespect to the rabbis is greater than the person who is fit to legislate.
* A. The grama is completely illusionary - immediately upon touching it sends signals to the machine and randomly it'll decide to respond, that's not grama at all - you caused the sending of the signal. Also, the entire idea of grama being a delay is very questionable and rav schachter and rav willig think it would be asur.  
* ''Grama'': The grama is completely illusionary - immediately upon touching it sends signals to the machine and randomly it'll decide to respond, that's not grama at all - you caused the sending of the signal. Also, the entire idea of grama being a delay is very questionable and rav schachter (Bikvei HaTzoan Siman 3) and rav willig think it would be asur.  
* B. I dislike the terminology  - "those who wish to satisfy one or both of these stringent opinions" it sounds like it wasn't written by someone knowledge in torah. it isn't called a stringency to follow halacha. Also, these "solutions" are phony.
* ''Eino Kayama'': The non-permanence is not a solution at all. 1) it is still asur m'derabbanan. 2) it is not temporary - anything which lasts as long as you need it to last even if it is erased afterwards isn't temporary.  
* C. The non-permanence is not a solution at all. 1) it is still asur m'derabbanan. 2) it is not temporary - anything which lasts as long as you need it to last even if it is erased afterwards isn't temporary.  
* ''Zilzul Shabbat': The Gemara Sanhedrin describes a case in which the supreme court in Yerushalayim condemned a person who rode a horse on Shabbat. Even though techinically, riding a horse on Shabbat is only a rabbinic prohibition, it is considered a serious infraction upon the sanctity of Shabbat. Acc to rav moshe, rav schachter, and almost all gedolim this would be forbidden because of zilzul shabbos.  
* D. Acc to rav moshe, rav schachter, and almost all gedolim this would be forbidden because of zilzul shabbos.  
* Bottom line - a person should not use this app on Shabbat (see footnote for details).<ref>OU Statement</ref> If someone wants to become non-Orthodox (and keep half shabbos) they're don't need to ask anyone's permission or pervert halacha to do so, but please don't pretend that it is actually orthodox. <ref>Rav Hershel Schachter (shiur on yutorah 10/3/14) merely mentioned the Shabbos App as a "chiddush" of our generation in a joking manner. He didn't go into any detail.</ref>
* E. Bottom line - it is 100% an isur (probably only derabbanan but a very serious and grave violation of shabbos). If someone wants to become non-Orthodox (and keep half shabbos) they're don't need to ask anyone's permission or pervert halacha to do so, but please don't pretend that it is actually orthodox. <ref>Rav Hershel Schachter (shiur on yutorah 10/3/14) merely mentioned the Shabbos App as a "chiddush" of our generation in a joking manner. He didn't go into any detail.</ref>
 
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# Special thanks to Rabbi Ari Enkin author of the [[Amot]] Shel Halacha series for his contribution to this article. If you would like to purchase his books please [http://www.eichlers.com/Product/Books/Halachah_-_Jewish_Law/General_Issues/Amot-Shel-Halacha---Halachic-Insights---The-Dalet-Amot-Halacha-Series:-1-_H028-3.html click here].  
# Special thanks to Rabbi Ari Enkin author of the [[Amot]] Shel Halacha series for his contribution to this article. If you would like to purchase his books please [http://www.eichlers.com/Product/Books/Halachah_-_Jewish_Law/General_Issues/Amot-Shel-Halacha---Halachic-Insights---The-Dalet-Amot-Halacha-Series:-1-_H028-3.html click here].