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==Ways it is Permitted== | ==Ways it is Permitted== | ||
===A Reminder=== | ===A Reminder=== | ||
# If they set an item to remind them not to share food then it is permitted for them to eat together on the same table.<ref>Tosfot Chullin 104b s.v. keein, Shulchan Aruch YD 88:2</ref> This only works for two people sitting together but not for one person eating at a table with food of the other type.<ref>Kaf Hachaim 88:16, Badei Hashulchan 88:14</ref> | # If they set an item to remind them not to share food then it is permitted for them to eat together on the same table.<ref>Tosfot Chullin 104b s.v. keein, Shulchan Aruch YD 88:2</ref> This only works for two people sitting together but not for one person eating at a table with food of the other type.<ref>Raavan Chullin n. 271, Kaf Hachaim 88:16, Badei Hashulchan 88:14, Horah Brurah 88:10</ref> Similarly, a child doesn't count as a second person since he won't realize to remind the adult not to share.<ref>Badei Hashulchan 88:14, Horah Brurah 88:10</ref> | ||
##Similarly, if they eat on separate table clothes or mats that is considered like a reminder.<ref>Shulchan Aruch YD 88:2</ref> | ##Similarly, if they eat on separate table clothes or mats that is considered like a reminder.<ref>Tosfot Chullin 104b s.v. keein, Shulchan Aruch YD 88:2</ref> | ||
#Placing a whole loaf of bread that they don’t eat from is considered a reminder.<ref>Shulchan Aruch and Rama YD 88:1</ref> | #Placing a whole loaf of bread that they don’t eat from is considered a reminder.<ref>Shulchan Aruch and Rama YD 88:1</ref> | ||
#The reminder needs to have some height like a pitcher that they usually don’t have on the table or a lantern.<ref>Kaf Hachaim 88:26</ref> | #The reminder needs to have some height like a pitcher that they usually don’t have on the table or a lantern.<ref>Kaf Hachaim 88:26</ref> | ||
# The reminder should be placed between those eating and not on the side.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 88:2, Badei Hashulchan 88:19</ref> | # The reminder should be placed between those eating and not on the side.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 88:2, Badei Hashulchan 88:19</ref> | ||
# Some say that if those eating purchased the funds for the meal from the same funds or bank account a reminder doesn't work to eat at the same table.<ref>Tur 88:2, Taz 88:3</ref> Many reject this stringency.<ref>Shach 88:5, Badei Hashulchan 88:13</ref> | |||
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==Parve Foods on the Table at a Meat Meal== | ==Parve Foods on the Table at a Meat Meal== | ||
#A person should have separate meat and dairy salt containers if he leaves them open on the table and people dip food in because meat and dairy might get into the container and back onto food.<ref>Rama 88:2, Kaf Hachaim 88:29</ref> However, if it is a covered salt shaker it can be used for meat and dairy, though still some have the practice to have separate salt shakers.<ref>Badei Hashulchan 88:30</ref> | #A person should have separate meat and dairy salt containers if he leaves them open on the table and people dip food in because meat and dairy might get into the container and back onto food.<ref>Rama 88:2, Kaf Hachaim 88:29</ref> However, if it is a covered salt shaker it can be used for meat and dairy, though still some have the practice to have separate salt shakers.<ref>Badei Hashulchan 88:30</ref> | ||
# Bread crumbs left on the table after you ate meat shouldn’t be eaten with dairy and vice versa.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 89:4</ref> However, a large piece of bread left on the table is still parve and you don’t have to be concerned that it was touched by meat or dairy.<ref>Badei Hashulchan 89:99</ref> | # Bread crumbs left on the table after you ate meat shouldn’t be eaten with dairy and vice versa.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 89:4</ref> However, a large piece of bread left on the table is still parve and you don’t have to be concerned that it was touched by meat or dairy.<ref>Badei Hashulchan 89:99, Igrot Moshe YD 1:38</ref> | ||
# Sliced bread that was on the table during a meat meal should be treated as meat and can't be eaten with milk since meat residue may have touched it.<ref>Yerushalmi Pesachim 6:4, Shulchan Aruch YD 91:3. Igrot Moshe YD 1:38 holds that the actual prohibition of eating bread from a meat meal with dairy only applies to the bread which was eaten with meat or sliced pieces that were intended to be eaten. Still it is preferable not to eat with dairy any of the bread that was on the table during the meat meal. Badei Hashulchan 89:98 and The Laws of Kashrut (p. 212) adopt the opinion of the Igrot Moshe.</ref> Some question how it is permitted to save that bread for another meat meal since one might forget and eat it with milk. However, the minhag is to save the cut up bread on the table to save that bread for another meat meal.<ref>Badei Hashulchan 91:17 quotes this minhag and questions it in light of Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 97:1 that dairy bread is entirely forbidden since people might forget and eat it with meat. Similarly, having bread that is dairy because it was touched with something dairy residue should render it forbidden. Chavot Daat 97:6 implies that bread that milk spills on is forbidden like dairy bread.</ref> | |||
#Salads or parve foods on the table during a meat meal if you take with your silverware that you ate with, the food is now meat and shouldn’t be eaten with dairy. However, if they are taken with a serving utensil then one can eat them with a dairy meal unless there’s children at the table who might be not careful not to touch the foods on the table.<ref>Badei Hashulchan 89:99</ref> | #Salads or parve foods on the table during a meat meal if you take with your silverware that you ate with, the food is now meat and shouldn’t be eaten with dairy. However, if they are taken with a serving utensil then one can eat them with a dairy meal unless there’s children at the table who might be not careful not to touch the foods on the table.<ref>Badei Hashulchan 89:99</ref> | ||
==Sources== | ==Sources== | ||
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