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#According to Ashkenazim, there is what to rely on to be lenient to eat a meal before [[Mincha]] except for having a big meal (like the meal of a wedding or [[Brit Milah]]) from the beginning of the tenth hour of the day (a half hour before [[Mincha]] Ketana) before praying [[Mincha]] for which there is no leniency to rely on. Nonetheless, it’s preferable to be strict not to have a big meal from the beginning of the seventh hour (midday) before praying [[Mincha]].<ref>See next footnote </ref> | #According to Ashkenazim, there is what to rely on to be lenient to eat a meal before [[Mincha]] except for having a big meal (like the meal of a wedding or [[Brit Milah]]) from the beginning of the tenth hour of the day (a half hour before [[Mincha]] Ketana) before praying [[Mincha]] for which there is no leniency to rely on. Nonetheless, it’s preferable to be strict not to have a big meal from the beginning of the seventh hour (midday) before praying [[Mincha]].<ref>See next footnote </ref> | ||
#According to Sephardim, it is preferable not to have a big (like the meal of a wedding or [[Brit Milah]]) or small meal (greater than a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread) from the beginning of the seventh hour (midday), however, the minhag is to be lenient and hold like the same halacha as Ashkenazim (see above) and there is what to rely on.<ref>*The Mishna ([[Shabbat]] 9b) writes that one may not start a meal close to the time of [[Mincha]] and if one started one may continue. The Gemara 9b initially posits that this prohibition must only apply from [[Mincha]] Katana because why would it start from [[Mincha]] Gedolah isn’t there a lot of time from [[Mincha]] Gedolah (and one will certainly have time to pray). Then the Gemara says that the fact that the Mishna states that if one started one doesn’t have to stop the meal contradicts Rabbi Yehoshua Ben Levi who says one may not taste food before [[Mincha]]. Rather, says the Gemara, the Mishna was talking about having a big meal (before [[Mincha]] Gedolah) and this doesn’t contradict Rabbi Yehoshua Ben Levi who forbad eating after [[Mincha]] Ketana. Then the Gemara quotes a second opinion, Rav Acha Bar Yacov who says that the Mishna means that one can’t have even a small meal before [[Mincha]] Gedolah. | #According to Sephardim, it is preferable not to have a big (like the meal of a wedding or [[Brit Milah]]) or small meal (greater than a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread) from the beginning of the seventh hour (midday), however, the minhag is to be lenient and hold like the same halacha as Ashkenazim (see above) and there is what to rely on.<ref> | ||
*The Mishna ([[Shabbat]] 9b) writes that one may not start a meal close to the time of [[Mincha]] and if one started one may continue. The Gemara 9b initially posits that this prohibition must only apply from [[Mincha]] Katana because why would it start from [[Mincha]] Gedolah isn’t there a lot of time from [[Mincha]] Gedolah (and one will certainly have time to pray). Then the Gemara says that the fact that the Mishna states that if one started one doesn’t have to stop the meal contradicts Rabbi Yehoshua Ben Levi who says one may not taste food before [[Mincha]]. Rather, says the Gemara, the Mishna was talking about having a big meal (before [[Mincha]] Gedolah) and this doesn’t contradict Rabbi Yehoshua Ben Levi who forbad eating after [[Mincha]] Ketana. Then the Gemara quotes a second opinion, Rav Acha Bar Yacov who says that the Mishna means that one can’t have even a small meal before [[Mincha]] Gedolah. | |||
*The Rishonim (early authorities) discuss what is the halacha based on the Gemara [[Brachot]] 28b which states that the halacha doesn’t follow Rabbi Yehoshua Ben Levi. | *The Rishonim (early authorities) discuss what is the halacha based on the Gemara [[Brachot]] 28b which states that the halacha doesn’t follow Rabbi Yehoshua Ben Levi. | ||
*The Baal HaMoer ([[Shabbat]] 3b s.v. Matni Lo Yeshev) says that we hold like the first thought of the Gemara that the Mishna forbids having a big meal before [[Mincha]] Ketana, however, it’s permissible to have a big or small meal before [[Mincha]] Gedolah. Additionally, if one started having a meal before [[Mincha]] Ketana one may continue the meal. This is quoted (as an individual opinion) by the Ran [[Shabbat]] 4a s.v. Aval and Bet Yosef 232:2. The Rashba ([[Shabbat]] 9b s.v. VeYeInyan Pesak Halacha) initially agrees with the Baal HaMoar but then concludes that it should also be prohibited to have a big meal before [[Mincha]] Gedolah. | *The Baal HaMoer ([[Shabbat]] 3b s.v. Matni Lo Yeshev) says that we hold like the first thought of the Gemara that the Mishna forbids having a big meal before [[Mincha]] Ketana, however, it’s permissible to have a big or small meal before [[Mincha]] Gedolah. Additionally, if one started having a meal before [[Mincha]] Ketana one may continue the meal. This is quoted (as an individual opinion) by the Ran [[Shabbat]] 4a s.v. Aval and Bet Yosef 232:2. The Rashba ([[Shabbat]] 9b s.v. VeYeInyan Pesak Halacha) initially agrees with the Baal HaMoar but then concludes that it should also be prohibited to have a big meal before [[Mincha]] Gedolah. | ||
*The Ri (quoted by Tur 232:2) says that we hold like the first answer of the Gemara that there’s only a prohibition for having a big meal before Gedolah and there’s no prohibition to have a small meal neither before [[Mincha]] Gedolah or [[Mincha]] Ketana. This is also the opinion of Rabbenu Tam according to the Rosh ([[Brachot]] 4:11). | *The Ri (quoted by Tur 232:2) says that we hold like the first answer of the Gemara that there’s only a prohibition for having a big meal before Gedolah and there’s no prohibition to have a small meal neither before [[Mincha]] Gedolah or [[Mincha]] Ketana. This is also the opinion of Rabbenu Tam according to the Rosh ([[Brachot]] 4:11). | ||
*The Rabbenu Tam (quoted by the Tur 232:2) says that we hold like the first answer of the Gemara and the primary prohibition is having a big meal before [[Mincha]] Gedolah. However, there’s a second prohibition of having a small meal before [[Mincha]] Ketana. Additionally, if one began before [[Mincha]] Gedolah one may continue however if one before before [[Mincha]] Ketana one should stop. This is also the opinion of Tosfot ([[Shabbat]] 9b s.v. BeTisporet). | *The Rabbenu Tam (quoted by the Tur 232:2) says that we hold like the first answer of the Gemara and the primary prohibition is having a big meal before [[Mincha]] Gedolah. However, there’s a second prohibition of having a small meal before [[Mincha]] Ketana. Additionally, if one began before [[Mincha]] Gedolah one may continue however if one before before [[Mincha]] Ketana one should stop. This is also the opinion of Tosfot ([[Shabbat]] 9b s.v. BeTisporet). | ||
*The Rif ([[Shabbat]] 4a) rules like Rav Acha Bar Yacov that one may not have a small or big meal from before [[Mincha]] Gedolah. Rambam ([[Tefillah]] 6:5) holds like the Rif. The Rosh ([[Brachot]] 4:11, [[Shabbat]] 1:18) quotes the opinions of Tosfot and Rif and the Tur in C”M 5 writes that the Rosh agrees to the Rif, while the Bet Yosef C”M 5 questions this. The Rosh ([[Shabbat]] 1:18) writes that the Rabbenu Yonah agrees with the Rif. The Rashba ([[Shabbat]] 9b s.v. VeYeInyan Pesak Halacha) writes that his Rebbe (the Ramban) agreed with the Rif. | *The Rif ([[Shabbat]] 4a) rules like Rav Acha Bar Yacov that one may not have a small or big meal from before [[Mincha]] Gedolah. Rambam ([[Tefillah]] 6:5) holds like the Rif. The Rosh ([[Brachot]] 4:11, [[Shabbat]] 1:18) quotes the opinions of Tosfot and Rif and the Tur in C”M 5 writes that the Rosh agrees to the Rif, while the Bet Yosef C”M 5 questions this. The Rosh ([[Shabbat]] 1:18) writes that the Rabbenu Yonah agrees with the Rif. The Rashba ([[Shabbat]] 9b s.v. VeYeInyan Pesak Halacha) writes that his Rebbe (the Ramban) agreed with the Rif. Shulchan Aruch O.C. 232:2 rules like the Rif. | ||
*The Rama 232:2 writes that one may be more lenient than S”A to have a small meal before [[Mincha]] Gedolah and before [[Mincha]] Ketana but one should still be strict like the Ri not to have a big meal even before [[Mincha]] Gedolah and the Minhag is even more lenient to permit any meal except for a big meal before [[Mincha]] Katana (which is a combination of the leniency of the Baal HaMoar and the leniency of the Ri). [The Yalkut Yosef (vol 3 pg 635) writes that this is also the opinion of the Mordechai. However, the Mordechai in [[Shabbat]] (Siman 225) seems to hold like Rabbenu Tam.] | *The Rama 232:2 writes that one may be more lenient than S”A to have a small meal before [[Mincha]] Gedolah and before [[Mincha]] Ketana but one should still be strict like the Ri not to have a big meal even before [[Mincha]] Gedolah and the Minhag is even more lenient to permit any meal except for a big meal before [[Mincha]] Katana (which is a combination of the leniency of the Baal HaMoar and the leniency of the Ri). [The Yalkut Yosef (vol 3 pg 635) writes that this is also the opinion of the Mordechai. However, the Mordechai in [[Shabbat]] (Siman 225) seems to hold like Rabbenu Tam.] | ||
*The achronim discuss whether the leniency to permit having a small meal even before [[Mincha]] Ketana allows one to have a small meal at any time or only until the actual time of [[Mincha]] Ketana (nine and a half hour and not the beginning of the ninth hour). The Magen Avraham 232:15 is strict, however, the Mahariv is lenient. Mishna Brurah 232:26 is lenient. | *The achronim discuss whether the leniency to permit having a small meal even before [[Mincha]] Ketana allows one to have a small meal at any time or only until the actual time of [[Mincha]] Ketana (nine and a half hour and not the beginning of the ninth hour). The Magen Avraham 232:15 is strict, however, the Mahariv is lenient. Mishna Brurah 232:26 is lenient. | ||
