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* The Gemara Brachot 5b quotes Abba Binyamin who said that he would make every effort to pray immediately upon waking up. Rashi (D"H Samuch) explains that Abba Binyamin wouldn't even learn prior to praying Shema. The Rosh (Brachot 1:7) asks what possible drove Rashi to explain that he didn't even learn before praying and explains that perhaps for a person who doesn't usually pray with a minyan it's likely that if he learns he'll continue and miss saying Shema and [[Amidah - Shemonah Esrei|Shemonah Esrei]] by the latest time. Based on the Rosh, S"A 89:6 rules that once the time for Shachrit comes one may not learn before praying Shacharit unless one always goes to pray with a minyan. | * The Gemara Brachot 5b quotes Abba Binyamin who said that he would make every effort to pray immediately upon waking up. Rashi (D"H Samuch) explains that Abba Binyamin wouldn't even learn prior to praying Shema. The Rosh (Brachot 1:7) asks what possible drove Rashi to explain that he didn't even learn before praying and explains that perhaps for a person who doesn't usually pray with a minyan it's likely that if he learns he'll continue and miss saying Shema and [[Amidah - Shemonah Esrei|Shemonah Esrei]] by the latest time. Based on the Rosh, S"A 89:6 rules that once the time for Shachrit comes one may not learn before praying Shacharit unless one always goes to pray with a minyan. | ||
* However, this leniency of always praying with a minyan is only found in Shulchan Aruch regarding learning before Shacharit (S"A 89:6), but not in regards to eating before praying Shacharit (S"A 89:3), Mincha (S"A 232:2), or Arvit (S"A 235:2). Nonetheless, the Aruch HaShulchan 232:16 writes that the lenient minhag relies upon this idea that if one always prays in a minyan one may eat before Mincha. Additionally, Sh"t Igrot Moshe 4:99 extends it to defend the practice to pray Arvit late and eat beforehand. Piskei Teshuvot 232:3 uses the Aruch HaShulchan but limits it to someone who goes to a minyan at a fixed time and also says that it isn't a sufficient leniency to eat a large meal such as a wedding feast. </ref> | * However, this leniency of always praying with a minyan is only found in Shulchan Aruch regarding learning before Shacharit (S"A 89:6), but not in regards to eating before praying Shacharit (S"A 89:3), Mincha (S"A 232:2), or Arvit (S"A 235:2). Nonetheless, the Aruch HaShulchan 232:16 writes that the lenient minhag relies upon this idea that if one always prays in a minyan one may eat before Mincha. Additionally, Sh"t Igrot Moshe 4:99 extends it to defend the practice to pray Arvit late and eat beforehand. Piskei Teshuvot 232:3 uses the Aruch HaShulchan but limits it to someone who goes to a minyan at a fixed time and also says that it isn't a sufficient leniency to eat a large meal such as a wedding feast. </ref> | ||
==Arvit== | ==Arvit== | ||
# From a half hour before Tzet HaChachavim (of the Geonim, not רבינו תם) it’s forbidden to eat a meal (2 kezaytim of bread or Pas HaBah Bekisnin). <Ref>Mishna Brurah 235:16 </ref> | # From a half hour before Tzet HaChachavim (of the Geonim, not רבינו תם) it’s forbidden to eat a meal (2 kezaytim of bread or Pas HaBah Bekisnin). <Ref>Mishna Brurah 235:16 </ref> | ||
# Some say that if one always goes to minyan and there’s a set time, it’s permissible, even after Tzet HaChachavim except by a feast such as a wedding or Brit Milah one shouldn’t start after Tzet. <Ref>Piskei Teshuvot 235:6 </ref> | # Some say that if one always goes to minyan and there’s a set time, it’s permissible, even after Tzet HaChachavim except by a feast such as a wedding or Brit Milah one shouldn’t start after Tzet. <Ref>Piskei Teshuvot 235:6 </ref> | ||
==Mussaf== | |||
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# Once the time for Mussaf (from [[Olot HaShachar]]) it’s forbidden to eat a meal (more than a KeBaytzah of bread) before praying Mussaf, however, it’s permissible to have a KeBaytzah of bread or a lot of fruit. <Ref>The Gemara Brachot 28b writes that the halacha doesn’t follow Rav Huna who says that it’s forbidden to taste any food before praying Mussaf. The Tur 286:3 writes that even though we don’t hold like Rav Huna we only permit have a snack but a meal is forbidden. The Bet Yosef quotes the Raavad, Rashba, and perhaps the Rabbenu Yerucham who agree. S”A 286:3 writes that it’s forbidden to eat a meal before praying Mussaf but it’s permissible to have a snack. The Magan Avraham 286:2 writes that the snack is the same as before Mincha where S”A 232:3 writes that one may have a KeBaytzah of bread and a lot of fruit but not more. </ref> | |||
# The custom is to be lenient to permit eating even more than a Kabaytzah of baked Mezonot (cakes and cookies) before Mussaf after having made Kiddish. <Ref>Shaar HaTzion 286:7 writes that the measure for a meal before mussaf in regards to baked mezonot is the same as by Sukkah. Mishna Brurah 639:15-6 (regarding Sukkah) quotes some who say that if one establishes a meal out of the Pas HaBah Bekisnin certainly it requires a Sukkah. However, if one didn’t have it as a meal if one had more than a KeBaytzah then there’s a dispute whether one needs a Sukkah and if one eats less than a KeBaytzah then certainly it doesn’t require a Sukkah. Nonetheless, Halichot Shlomo (Tefillah 14:9, pg 179-80) writes that the minhag is to lenient to have even more than a Kabaytzah of baked mezonot. </ref> | |||
# If one does eat before Mussaf one must first do Kiddish and have a Reviyit of wine or eat a Kezayit of baked mezonot (cakes and cookies) in order to fulfill Kiddish. <Ref>Magan Avraham 286:1, Buir Halacha 286:3 D”H Achilat, Mishna Brurah 286:7, Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 52:17</ref> | |||
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