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* The Rama 232:2 writes that one may be more lenient than S”A to have a small meal before Mincha Gedolah and before Mincha Ketana but one should still be strict like the Ri not to have a big meal even before Mincha Gedolah and the Minhag is even more lenient to permit any meal except for a big meal before Mincha Katana (which is a combination of the leniency of the Baal HaMoar and the leniency of the Ri). [The Yalkut Yosef (vol 3 pg 635) writes that this is also the opinion of the Mordechai. However, the Mordechai in [[Shabbat]] (Siman 225) seems to hold like Rabbenu Tam.] | * The Rama 232:2 writes that one may be more lenient than S”A to have a small meal before Mincha Gedolah and before Mincha Ketana but one should still be strict like the Ri not to have a big meal even before Mincha Gedolah and the Minhag is even more lenient to permit any meal except for a big meal before Mincha Katana (which is a combination of the leniency of the Baal HaMoar and the leniency of the Ri). [The Yalkut Yosef (vol 3 pg 635) writes that this is also the opinion of the Mordechai. However, the Mordechai in [[Shabbat]] (Siman 225) seems to hold like Rabbenu Tam.] | ||
* The achronim discuss whether the leniency to permit having a small meal even before Mincha Ketana allows one to have a small meal at any time or only until the actual time of Mincha Ketana (nine and a half hour and not the beginning of the ninth hour). The Magan Avraham 232:15 is strict, however, the Mahariv is lenient. Mishna Brurah 232:26 is lenient. | * The achronim discuss whether the leniency to permit having a small meal even before Mincha Ketana allows one to have a small meal at any time or only until the actual time of Mincha Ketana (nine and a half hour and not the beginning of the ninth hour). The Magan Avraham 232:15 is strict, however, the Mahariv is lenient. Mishna Brurah 232:26 is lenient. | ||
* The Rama 232:2 defines a big meal as a meal of wedding or [[Brit Milah]]. This is based on the Tosfot ([[Shabbat]] 9b D”H BeTisporet) who says that a big meal like those of an engagement, wedding, or [[Brit Milah]]. The Bet Yosef 232:2 quotes the | * The Rama 232:2 defines a big meal as a meal of wedding or [[Brit Milah]]. This is based on the Tosfot ([[Shabbat]] 9b D”H BeTisporet) who says that a big meal like those of an engagement, wedding, or [[Brit Milah]]. The Bet Yosef 232:2 quotes the Hagahot Maimonot (Tefillah 6:7) who writes that a [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]] meal isn’t considered a big meal but only a meal where many people gather together such as a wedding or [[Brit Milah]]. The Kol Bo (Siman 11 pg 8a) agrees to the Hagahot Maimonot. The Mishna Brurah 232:24 rules that a [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]] meal isn’t considered a big meal, however, a wedding, [[Brit Milah]] or [[Pidyon HaBen]] meal (where many people gather together) is considered a big meal. | ||
* The Bet Yosef 232:2 quotes the Ran ([[Shabbat]] 4a D”H Hay) who says that this prohibition which begins close to the time of Mincha starts a half hour before the time of Mincha. The Bet Yosef writes that this is also the opinion of the Rashbam (Pesachim 99b). [The Mordechai in [[Shabbat]] (Siman 225) also says a half hour.] | * The Bet Yosef 232:2 quotes the Ran ([[Shabbat]] 4a D”H Hay) who says that this prohibition which begins close to the time of Mincha starts a half hour before the time of Mincha. The Bet Yosef writes that this is also the opinion of the Rashbam (Pesachim 99b). [The Mordechai in [[Shabbat]] (Siman 225) also says a half hour.] | ||
* The Yalkut Yosef (vol 3, pg 634-6) writes that it’s preferable to hold like Shulchan Aruch not to eat a small or big meal after the sixth hour. However, the minhag for centuries was to be lenient and there is what to rely on. Nonetheless, even according to the lenient opinions there is no room to be lenient to have a big meal after the tenth hour. </ref> | * The Yalkut Yosef (vol 3, pg 634-6) writes that it’s preferable to hold like Shulchan Aruch not to eat a small or big meal after the sixth hour. However, the minhag for centuries was to be lenient and there is what to rely on. Nonetheless, even according to the lenient opinions there is no room to be lenient to have a big meal after the tenth hour. </ref> | ||
