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# Ashkenazi Women may not eat before davening Shacharit,<ref>Ishei Yisrael 13:30</ref>, while Sepharadi women may.<ref>Rav Avraham Yosef in response to a [http://shut.moreshet.co.il/shut2.asp?id=148520 question posed on Moreshet.co.il]</ref> | # Ashkenazi Women may not eat before davening Shacharit,<ref>Ishei Yisrael 13:30</ref>, while Sepharadi women may.<ref>Rav Avraham Yosef in response to a [http://shut.moreshet.co.il/shut2.asp?id=148520 question posed on Moreshet.co.il]</ref> | ||
## Some poskim say that if a woman wants to eat before davening, she should say a short prayer that includes praise of Hashem, a request to Hashem, and thanks to Hashem and then eat. It is preferable for her to also say the first paragraph of shema before eating. This solution works even if she is later going to daven a regular davening afterwards. <ref>Ishei Yisrael 13:30. See Igrot Moshe 4:101:2 who suggests that perhaps woman only need to say some request in order to fulfill tefillah on a Biblical level and then they can eat. He leaves it as an unresolved issue. </ref> | ## Some poskim say that if a woman wants to eat before davening, she should say a short prayer that includes praise of Hashem, a request to Hashem, and thanks to Hashem and then eat. It is preferable for her to also say the first paragraph of shema before eating. This solution works even if she is later going to daven a regular davening afterwards. <ref>Ishei Yisrael 13:30. See Igrot Moshe 4:101:2 who suggests that perhaps woman only need to say some request in order to fulfill tefillah on a Biblical level and then they can eat. He leaves it as an unresolved issue. See [http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/3620 דברים שמותר לעשות לפני התפילה] and [http://ph.yhb.org.il/02-12-06/ Pninei Halacha Tefillah 12:6] by Rav Eliezer Melamed </ref> | ||
===Eating before Kiddush=== | ===Eating before Kiddush=== | ||
# On Shabbat, some poskim write that a married woman who didn't daven yet and is permitted to eat, such as in the case above, if her husband has not davened yet, some poskim hold that she may eat without reciting Kiddush. Once she davened certainly she needs to recite Kiddush before eating.<ref> </ref> However, an unmarried woman who didn't daven yet and is permitted to eat, such as in the case above, must recite Kiddush before eating. <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:101:2 writes that since a married woman has an obligation to eat together with her husband, if her husband hasn't yet davened and isn't yet obligated in Kiddush, she isn't obligated either. An unmarried woman, however, may not eat without Kiddush once she has davened. See Minchat Yitzchak 4:28:3 who quotes the Tosefet Shabbat who says that once a woman has fulfilled tefillah on a Biblical level they are obligated in Kiddush and may not eat without Kiddush. See Divrei Yetsiv 132 who allows women to have a snack before tefillah without kiddush, see there for his reasoning. </ref> | # On Shabbat, some poskim write that a married woman who didn't daven yet and is permitted to eat, such as in the case above, if her husband has not davened yet, some poskim hold that she may eat without reciting Kiddush. Once she davened certainly she needs to recite Kiddush before eating.<ref> </ref> However, an unmarried woman who didn't daven yet and is permitted to eat, such as in the case above, must recite Kiddush before eating. <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:101:2 writes that since a married woman has an obligation to eat together with her husband, if her husband hasn't yet davened and isn't yet obligated in Kiddush, she isn't obligated either. An unmarried woman, however, may not eat without Kiddush once she has davened. See Minchat Yitzchak 4:28:3 who quotes the Tosefet Shabbat who says that once a woman has fulfilled tefillah on a Biblical level they are obligated in Kiddush and may not eat without Kiddush. See Divrei Yetsiv 132 who allows women to have a snack before tefillah without kiddush, see there for his reasoning. </ref> | ||
