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# The custom is to be lenient to permit eating even more than a Kabaytzah of baked [[Mezonot]] (cakes and cookies) before [[Mussaf]] after having made [[Kiddish]]. <Ref>Shaar HaTziyun 286:7 writes that the measure for a meal before [[Mussaf]] in regards to baked [[mezonot]] is the same as by [[Sukkah]]. Mishna Brurah 639:15-6 (regarding [[Sukkah]]) quotes some who say that if one establishes a meal out of the [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] certainly it requires a [[Sukkah]]. However, if one didn’t have it as a meal if one had more than a [[KeBaytzah]] then there’s a dispute whether one needs a [[Sukkah]] and if one eats less than a [[KeBaytzah]] then certainly it doesn’t require a [[Sukkah]]. Nonetheless, Halichot Shlomo ([[Tefillah]] 14:9, pg 179-80) writes that the minhag is to lenient to have even more than a Kabaytzah of baked [[mezonot]]. </ref> | # The custom is to be lenient to permit eating even more than a Kabaytzah of baked [[Mezonot]] (cakes and cookies) before [[Mussaf]] after having made [[Kiddish]]. <Ref>Shaar HaTziyun 286:7 writes that the measure for a meal before [[Mussaf]] in regards to baked [[mezonot]] is the same as by [[Sukkah]]. Mishna Brurah 639:15-6 (regarding [[Sukkah]]) quotes some who say that if one establishes a meal out of the [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] certainly it requires a [[Sukkah]]. However, if one didn’t have it as a meal if one had more than a [[KeBaytzah]] then there’s a dispute whether one needs a [[Sukkah]] and if one eats less than a [[KeBaytzah]] then certainly it doesn’t require a [[Sukkah]]. Nonetheless, Halichot Shlomo ([[Tefillah]] 14:9, pg 179-80) writes that the minhag is to lenient to have even more than a Kabaytzah of baked [[mezonot]]. </ref> | ||
# If one does eat before [[Mussaf]] one must first do [[Kiddish]] and have a [[Revi'it]] of wine or eat a [[Kezayit]] of baked [[mezonot]] (cakes and cookies) in order to fulfill [[Kiddish]]. <Ref>Magen Avraham 286:1, Beiur Halacha 286:3 s.v. Achilat, Mishna Brurah 286:7, Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 52:17</ref> | # If one does eat before [[Mussaf]] one must first do [[Kiddish]] and have a [[Revi'it]] of wine or eat a [[Kezayit]] of baked [[mezonot]] (cakes and cookies) in order to fulfill [[Kiddish]]. <Ref>Magen Avraham 286:1, Beiur Halacha 286:3 s.v. Achilat, Mishna Brurah 286:7, Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 52:17</ref> | ||
==Women== | |||
# Women may not eat before davening Shacharit.<ref>Ishei Yisrael 13:30</ref> | |||
## Some poskim say that if a woman wants to eat before davening, she should say a short prayer that includes praise of Hashem, a request to Hashem, and thanks to Hashem and then eat. It is preferable for her to also say the first paragraph of shema before eating. This solution works even if she is later going to daven a regular davening afterwards. <ref>Ishei Yisrael 13:30. See Igrot Moshe 4:101:2 who suggests that perhaps woman only need to say some request in order to fulfill tefillah on a Biblical level and then they can eat. He leaves it as an unresolved issue. </ref> | |||
===Eating before Kiddush=== | |||
## On Shabbat, a married woman who didn't daven yet and is permitted to eat, such as in the case above, if her husband has not davened yet, some poskim hold that she may eat without reciting Kiddush. Once she davened certainly she needs to recite Kiddush before eating.<ref>Igrot Moshe 4:101:2 writes that since a married woman has an obligation to eat together with her husband, if her husband hasn't yet davened and isn't yet obligated in Kiddush, she isn't obligated either. However, see Minchat Yitzchak 4:28:3 who quotes the Tosefet Shabbat who says that once a woman has fulfilled tefillah on a Biblical level they are obligated in Kiddush. </ref> Sephardi poskim hold that women may not eat before Kiddush and if she usually davens she may drink coffee or tea before davening; a mother who is nursing may rely on those who say it is permitted for women to eat without Kiddush during the day.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 289:6. See Daat Torah 289:2 who cites the Maharam Chalavah (Pesachim 106a) who says that women aren't obligated in the daytime Kiddush. Additionally, the Raavad (Shabbat 29:10) holds that it is permitted to eat before the daytime Kiddush.</ref> | |||
## On Shabbat, an unmarried woman who didn't daven yet and is permitted to eat, such as in the case above, must recite Kiddush before eating. <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:101:2</ref> | |||
==Children== | ==Children== | ||
# Although an adult may not eat before praying Shacharit, a child under bar mitzvah may do so. <ref> Mishna Brurah 106:5, Ishei Yisrael 13:29, Children in Halacha pg. 18 </ref> | # Although an adult may not eat before praying Shacharit, a child under bar mitzvah may do so. <ref> Mishna Brurah 106:5, Ishei Yisrael 13:29, Children in Halacha pg. 18 </ref> Some say that once a boy is twelve years old and one day he shouldn't eat before davening.<ref>Halacha Brurah 89:24</ref> | ||
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