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# This prohibition to eat before [[Mincha]] only applies to having a small meal which is more than a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread, however, a snack such as a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread or less or a lot of fruit is permissible. <Ref> Tur and S”A 232:3 define the meal that is forbidden as having bread more than a [[KeBaytzah]]. [See also Kesef Mishna ([[Tefillah]] 5:6) who gives another amount for this prohibition.] </ref> | # This prohibition to eat before [[Mincha]] only applies to having a small meal which is more than a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread, however, a snack such as a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread or less or a lot of fruit is permissible. <Ref> Tur and S”A 232:3 define the meal that is forbidden as having bread more than a [[KeBaytzah]]. [See also Kesef Mishna ([[Tefillah]] 5:6) who gives another amount for this prohibition.] </ref> | ||
# However, some say if one always goes to [[minyan]] and there’s a set time, it’s permissible to eat, even after 9½ hours except having a feast such as a wedding or [[Brit Milah]] after 9 hours. <ref> Piskei Teshuvot 232:3 | # However, some say if one always goes to [[minyan]] and there’s a set time, it’s permissible to eat, even after 9½ hours except having a feast such as a wedding or [[Brit Milah]] after 9 hours. <ref> Piskei Teshuvot 232:3 | ||
* The Gemara [[Brachot]] 5b quotes Abba Binyamin who said that he would make every effort to pray immediately upon [[waking up]]. Rashi (s.v. Samuch) explains that Abba Binyamin wouldn't even learn prior to praying Shema. The Rosh ([[Brachot]] 1:7) asks what possible drove Rashi to explain that he didn't even learn before praying and explains that perhaps for a person who doesn't usually pray with a [[minyan]] it's likely that if he learns he'll continue and miss saying Shema and [[ | * The Gemara [[Brachot]] 5b quotes Abba Binyamin who said that he would make every effort to pray immediately upon [[waking up]]. Rashi (s.v. Samuch) explains that Abba Binyamin wouldn't even learn prior to praying Shema. The Rosh ([[Brachot]] 1:7) asks what possible drove Rashi to explain that he didn't even learn before praying and explains that perhaps for a person who doesn't usually pray with a [[minyan]] it's likely that if he learns he'll continue and miss saying Shema and [[Shmoneh Esrei]] by the latest time. Based on the Rosh, Shulchan Aruch 89:6 rules that once the time for Shachrit comes one may not learn before praying [[Shacharit]] unless one always goes to pray with a [[minyan]]. | ||
* However, this leniency of always praying with a [[minyan]] is only found in Shulchan Aruch regarding learning before [[Shacharit]] (Shulchan Aruch 89:6), but not in regards to eating before praying [[Shacharit]] (Shulchan Aruch 89:3), [[Mincha]] (Shulchan Aruch 232:2), or [[Arvit]] (Shulchan Aruch 235:2). Nonetheless, the Aruch HaShulchan 232:16 writes that the lenient minhag relies upon this idea that if one always prays in a [[minyan]] one may eat before [[Mincha]]. Additionally, Sh"t Igrot Moshe 4:99 extends it to defend the practice to pray [[Arvit]] late and eat beforehand. Piskei Teshuvot 232:3 uses the Aruch HaShulchan but limits it to someone who goes to a [[minyan]] at a fixed time and also says that it isn't a sufficient leniency to eat a large meal such as a wedding feast. </ref> | * However, this leniency of always praying with a [[minyan]] is only found in Shulchan Aruch regarding learning before [[Shacharit]] (Shulchan Aruch 89:6), but not in regards to eating before praying [[Shacharit]] (Shulchan Aruch 89:3), [[Mincha]] (Shulchan Aruch 232:2), or [[Arvit]] (Shulchan Aruch 235:2). Nonetheless, the Aruch HaShulchan 232:16 writes that the lenient minhag relies upon this idea that if one always prays in a [[minyan]] one may eat before [[Mincha]]. Additionally, Sh"t Igrot Moshe 4:99 extends it to defend the practice to pray [[Arvit]] late and eat beforehand. Piskei Teshuvot 232:3 uses the Aruch HaShulchan but limits it to someone who goes to a [[minyan]] at a fixed time and also says that it isn't a sufficient leniency to eat a large meal such as a wedding feast. </ref> | ||
==Arvit== | ==Arvit== | ||
# From a half hour before Tzet HaChachavim (of the Geonim, not רבינו תם) it’s forbidden to eat a meal (2 kezaytim of bread or [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]]) until one has said [[Arvit]] (Shema and [[ | # From a half hour before Tzet HaChachavim (of the Geonim, not רבינו תם) it’s forbidden to eat a meal (2 kezaytim of bread or [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]]) until one has said [[Arvit]] (Shema and [[Shmoneh Esrei]]). <Ref>Shulchan Aruch 235:2, Mishna Brurah 235:16 </ref> | ||
# Some say that if one always goes to [[minyan]] and there’s a set time, it’s permissible, even after Tzet HaChachavim except by a feast such as a wedding or [[Brit Milah]] one shouldn’t start after Tzet. <Ref>Piskei Teshuvot 235:6 </ref> | # Some say that if one always goes to [[minyan]] and there’s a set time, it’s permissible, even after Tzet HaChachavim except by a feast such as a wedding or [[Brit Milah]] one shouldn’t start after Tzet. <Ref>Piskei Teshuvot 235:6 </ref> | ||
==Mussaf== | ==Mussaf== | ||
