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# If one slept and woke up after [[Chatzot]] it’s preferable not to eat before [[Davening]] unless there’s a need, however drinking is permissible until [[Olot HaShachar]]. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 89:27 </ref> Regarding whether one may eat before a fast prior to [[Olot HaShachar]] see [[Fast_Days#When_does_the_fast_start|Fast Days]]. | # If one slept and woke up after [[Chatzot]] it’s preferable not to eat before [[Davening]] unless there’s a need, however drinking is permissible until [[Olot HaShachar]]. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 89:27 </ref> Regarding whether one may eat before a fast prior to [[Olot HaShachar]] see [[Fast_Days#When_does_the_fast_start|Fast Days]]. | ||
# It’s forbidden to eat a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread or [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] or to drink an intoxicating drink after a half hour prior to [[Olot HaShachar]]. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 89:27, Piskei Teshuvot 89:21, Ishei Yisrael 13:26 </ref> If one began before this, one may continue until [[Olot HaShachar]]. <Ref>S”A 89:5, Mishna Brurah 89:27 </ref> | # It’s forbidden to eat a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread or [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]] or to drink an intoxicating drink after a half hour prior to [[Olot HaShachar]]. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 89:27, Piskei Teshuvot 89:21, Ishei Yisrael 13:26 </ref> If one began before this, one may continue until [[Olot HaShachar]]. <Ref>S”A 89:5, Mishna Brurah 89:27 </ref> | ||
# After [[Olot HaShachar]], it’s forbidden to eat or drink anything besides water until one prays.<ref> | # After [[Olot HaShachar]], it’s forbidden to eat or drink anything besides water until one prays.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 89:3. Rabbi Hershel Schachter (OU Kosher Webcast [http://www.ou.org/news/ou_webcast_with_poskim_let_my_people_know/ Dec. 2011], min 28-30) says that it's not permitted to eat before [[davening]] even if one will not have a chance to eat later and advises taking food with you to work or the Beit Midrash to eat later after [[davening]].</ref> | ||
# The minhag is to allowing having coffee or tea even with sugar and added. <Ref>Ishei Yisrael 13:25, Piskei Teshuvot 89:17, Shearim Metsuyim BeHalacha 8:1, Maharsham ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41144&pgnum=160 Daat Torah 89:3]), Aruch Hashulchan 89:23, and Kaf Hachaim 89:31 say that the minhag is to have coffee or tea even with sugar or milk before davening because it is in order to enable one to daven in a better manner, it is common and not an act of arrogance. Note that the Mishneh Brurah 89:22 only permits coffee without sugar.</ref> | # The minhag is to allowing having coffee or tea even with sugar and added. <Ref>Ishei Yisrael 13:25, Piskei Teshuvot 89:17, Shearim Metsuyim BeHalacha 8:1, Maharsham ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41144&pgnum=160 Daat Torah 89:3]), Aruch Hashulchan 89:23, and Kaf Hachaim 89:31 say that the minhag is to have coffee or tea even with sugar or milk before davening because it is in order to enable one to daven in a better manner, it is common and not an act of arrogance. Note that the Mishneh Brurah 89:22 only permits coffee without sugar.</ref> | ||
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# This prohibition to eat before [[Mincha]] only applies to having a small meal which is more than a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread, however, a snack such as a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread or less or a lot of fruit is permissible. <Ref> Tur and S”A 232:3 define the meal that is forbidden as having bread more than a [[KeBaytzah]]. [See also Kesef Mishna ([[Tefillah]] 5:6) who gives another amount for this prohibition.] </ref> | # This prohibition to eat before [[Mincha]] only applies to having a small meal which is more than a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread, however, a snack such as a [[KeBaytzah]] of bread or less or a lot of fruit is permissible. <Ref> Tur and S”A 232:3 define the meal that is forbidden as having bread more than a [[KeBaytzah]]. [See also Kesef Mishna ([[Tefillah]] 5:6) who gives another amount for this prohibition.] </ref> | ||
# However, some say if one always goes to [[minyan]] and there’s a set time, it’s permissible to eat, even after 9½ hours except having a feast such as a wedding or [[Brit Milah]] after 9 hours. <ref> Piskei Teshuvot 232:3 | # However, some say if one always goes to [[minyan]] and there’s a set time, it’s permissible to eat, even after 9½ hours except having a feast such as a wedding or [[Brit Milah]] after 9 hours. <ref> Piskei Teshuvot 232:3 | ||
* The Gemara [[Brachot]] 5b quotes Abba Binyamin who said that he would make every effort to pray immediately upon [[waking up]]. Rashi (s.v. Samuch) explains that Abba Binyamin wouldn't even learn prior to praying Shema. The Rosh ([[Brachot]] 1:7) asks what possible drove Rashi to explain that he didn't even learn before praying and explains that perhaps for a person who doesn't usually pray with a [[minyan]] it's likely that if he learns he'll continue and miss saying Shema and [[Shemoneh Esrei]] by the latest time. Based on the Rosh, | * The Gemara [[Brachot]] 5b quotes Abba Binyamin who said that he would make every effort to pray immediately upon [[waking up]]. Rashi (s.v. Samuch) explains that Abba Binyamin wouldn't even learn prior to praying Shema. The Rosh ([[Brachot]] 1:7) asks what possible drove Rashi to explain that he didn't even learn before praying and explains that perhaps for a person who doesn't usually pray with a [[minyan]] it's likely that if he learns he'll continue and miss saying Shema and [[Shemoneh Esrei]] by the latest time. Based on the Rosh, Shulchan Aruch 89:6 rules that once the time for Shachrit comes one may not learn before praying [[Shacharit]] unless one always goes to pray with a [[minyan]]. | ||
* However, this leniency of always praying with a [[minyan]] is only found in Shulchan Aruch regarding learning before [[Shacharit]] ( | * However, this leniency of always praying with a [[minyan]] is only found in Shulchan Aruch regarding learning before [[Shacharit]] (Shulchan Aruch 89:6), but not in regards to eating before praying [[Shacharit]] (Shulchan Aruch 89:3), [[Mincha]] (Shulchan Aruch 232:2), or [[Arvit]] (Shulchan Aruch 235:2). Nonetheless, the Aruch HaShulchan 232:16 writes that the lenient minhag relies upon this idea that if one always prays in a [[minyan]] one may eat before [[Mincha]]. Additionally, Sh"t Igrot Moshe 4:99 extends it to defend the practice to pray [[Arvit]] late and eat beforehand. Piskei Teshuvot 232:3 uses the Aruch HaShulchan but limits it to someone who goes to a [[minyan]] at a fixed time and also says that it isn't a sufficient leniency to eat a large meal such as a wedding feast. </ref> | ||
==Arvit== | ==Arvit== | ||
# From a half hour before Tzet HaChachavim (of the Geonim, not רבינו תם) it’s forbidden to eat a meal (2 kezaytim of bread or [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]]) until one has said [[Arvit]] (Shema and [[Shemoneh Esrei]]). <Ref> | # From a half hour before Tzet HaChachavim (of the Geonim, not רבינו תם) it’s forbidden to eat a meal (2 kezaytim of bread or [[Pas HaBah Bekisnin]]) until one has said [[Arvit]] (Shema and [[Shemoneh Esrei]]). <Ref>Shulchan Aruch 235:2, Mishna Brurah 235:16 </ref> | ||
# Some say that if one always goes to [[minyan]] and there’s a set time, it’s permissible, even after Tzet HaChachavim except by a feast such as a wedding or [[Brit Milah]] one shouldn’t start after Tzet. <Ref>Piskei Teshuvot 235:6 </ref> | # Some say that if one always goes to [[minyan]] and there’s a set time, it’s permissible, even after Tzet HaChachavim except by a feast such as a wedding or [[Brit Milah]] one shouldn’t start after Tzet. <Ref>Piskei Teshuvot 235:6 </ref> | ||
==Mussaf== | ==Mussaf== | ||
