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==General Guidelines== | |||
# A cooked or baked dish made from any other flour other than flour of the 5 grains or rice is Shehakol. Therefore, the bracha on a cooked or baked dish, which is primarily made from corn or potato flour and does not include the 5 grains, is Shehakol. <ref> | |||
* Gemara: Rav and Shmuel (Gemara Brachot 37a-b) hold that mixtures made from orez or dochen are not mezonot. The gemara finally rejects their opinion and concludes that the bracha rishona on orez bread is mezonot and bracha achrona is Boreh Nefashot. | |||
* Dispute amongst the rishonim about dochen: The Rif (Brachot 26a) rules that cooked orez is mezonot, while bread made from dochen is shehakol. The Rambam (Brachot 3:10) agrees that orez that’s cooked or baked into bread is mezonot, but dochen bread is shehakol. | |||
* One anonymous goan (quoted by Talmidei Rabbenu Yonah 26a s.v. VePat), Rabbenu Yonah (ibid.), and the Rosh (Brachot 6:8) argue that the bracha on dochen bread is mezonot since dochen is filling just like orez. | |||
* Identifying orez and dochen: Tosfot 37a s.v. Rashi explain that orez is rice and dochen is millet. Bet Yosef 208:8 sides with the opinion of Tosfot. | |||
* Halachic ruling: S”A 208:7-8 rules like the Rif and Rambam that cooked rice or rice bread is mezonot, but dochen bread is shehakol. Biur Halacha s.v. Al Pat asks why Shulchan Aruch ruled like the Rif and Rambam against the majority of rishonim. He concludes that one who wants to make mezonot on dochen bread may do so. | |||
* Other satiating grains: The Talmidei Rabbenu Yonah (Brachot 26a s.v. VePat) quotes one Goan and Rabbenu Yonah as having ruled that any grain, which we know provides sustenance is mezonot. Tur 208:8 agrees. Biur Halacha s.v. Al Pat quotes the Tosfot HaRosh as agreeing as well. | |||
* Halachic ruling: The Biur Halacha points out that Shulchan Aruch who ruled that dochen bread and panisu bread was Shehakol, clearly ruled against the Rabbenu Yonah. Accordingly, Chatom Sofer (responsa O.C. #50) originally assumes that bread made from born flour can not be mezonot considering that we hold like the Rif and Rambam as opposed to the Rabbenu Yonah. | |||
* Corn products: The Talmidei Rabbenu Yonah (Brachot 26a s.v. VeHaPat) offers two explanations as to why the bracha on bread made from lentils is shehakol and not haadama. First, the baked product is a complete change from the lentils themselves and does not warrant boreh pri haadama. Second, lentils are not usually eaten in the form of bread. The Chatom Sofer O.C. 50 applies these two answers to bread made from corn flour. According to the first one, the bracha is shehakol, but according to the second, since the primary way to eat corn is in this way, the bracha is haadama. See there for his other arguments. | |||
* Bottom line about corn products: The Laws of Brachos (p. 304) and Halachos of Brachos (p. 405) rule that foods made from corn flour are shehakol since the flour is ground to the extent that it is not recognizable as corn. Their rulings are based on the Rama 202:7. Vezot HaBracha (p. 200), Badatz Yerushalayim (Madrich Kashrut 5771 p. 130), and Rav Yisrael Belsky in Shulchan HaLevi (3:13 p. 37) agree. | |||
* Potato products: Badatz Yerushalayim (Madrich Kashrut 5771 p. 130) writes that foods which are primarily made from potato flour is Shehakol based on the Rama 202:7. Sefer Yemei HaPesach (p. 157) writes that cakes made from potato starch are Shehakol. </ref> | |||
# If one grinds a vegetable or grain not from the five grains and cook it, if the vegetable is still recognizable in the product then the Bracha is the same the vegetable, however if it’s ground and unrecognizable then the Bracha is shehakol unless it’s still intact. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 202:42 writes that the halacha is if the vegetables were crushed but still it’s intact then it retains the original Bracha, whereas if it’s crushed and unrecognizable the Bracha is Shehakol. So holds Vezot HaBracha (pg 100, chapter 12) and Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 403-4, chapter 22) </ref> | # If one grinds a vegetable or grain not from the five grains and cook it, if the vegetable is still recognizable in the product then the Bracha is the same the vegetable, however if it’s ground and unrecognizable then the Bracha is shehakol unless it’s still intact. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 202:42 writes that the halacha is if the vegetables were crushed but still it’s intact then it retains the original Bracha, whereas if it’s crushed and unrecognizable the Bracha is Shehakol. So holds Vezot HaBracha (pg 100, chapter 12) and Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 403-4, chapter 22) </ref> | ||
==Popcorn== | ==Popcorn== | ||
# Popcorn is HaAdama either because the seed is considered to be recognizable <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 100, chapter 12) and Or Letzion (vol 2, 14:11)</ref> or even though the seed has changed to the point that it’s unrecognizable as corn but nonetheless the seed is still intact <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 409, chapter 22) in name of Rav Moshe Feinstein and Rav Shlomo Zalman</ref>. However, some consider it Shehakol. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 100, chapter 12) quotes Rav Mordechai Eliyahu who says that the Bracha on popcorn is Shehakol. </Ref> | # Popcorn is HaAdama either because the seed is considered to be recognizable <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 100, chapter 12) and Or Letzion (vol 2, 14:11)</ref> or even though the seed has changed to the point that it’s unrecognizable as corn but nonetheless the seed is still intact <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 409, chapter 22) in name of Rav Moshe Feinstein and Rav Shlomo Zalman</ref>. However, some consider it Shehakol. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 100, chapter 12) quotes Rav Mordechai Eliyahu who says that the Bracha on popcorn is Shehakol. </Ref> | ||
