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==General Guidelines== | ==General Guidelines== | ||
# A cooked or baked dish made from any other flour other than flour of the 5 grains or rice is [[Shehakol]]. Therefore, the bracha on a cooked or baked dish, which is primarily made from corn or potato flour and does not include the 5 grains, is [[Shehakol]]. <ref> | # A cooked or baked dish made from any other flour other than flour of the 5 grains or rice is [[Shehakol]]. Therefore, the bracha on a cooked or baked dish, which is primarily made from corn or potato flour and does not include the 5 grains, is [[Shehakol]].<ref> | ||
* Gemara: Rav and Shmuel (Gemara [[Brachot]] 37a-b) hold that mixtures made from orez or dochen are not [[mezonot]]. The gemara finally rejects their opinion and concludes that the bracha rishona on orez bread is [[mezonot]] and bracha achrona is [[Boreh Nefashot]]. | * Gemara: Rav and Shmuel (Gemara [[Brachot]] 37a-b) hold that mixtures made from orez or dochen are not [[mezonot]]. The gemara finally rejects their opinion and concludes that the bracha rishona on orez bread is [[mezonot]] and bracha achrona is [[Boreh Nefashot]]. | ||
* Dispute amongst the rishonim about dochen: The Rif ([[Brachot]] 26a) rules that cooked orez is [[mezonot]], while bread made from dochen is [[shehakol]]. The Rambam ([[Brachot]] 3:10) agrees that orez that’s cooked or baked into bread is [[mezonot]], but dochen bread is [[shehakol]]. | * Dispute amongst the rishonim about dochen: The Rif ([[Brachot]] 26a) rules that cooked orez is [[mezonot]], while bread made from dochen is [[shehakol]]. The Rambam ([[Brachot]] 3:10) agrees that orez that’s cooked or baked into bread is [[mezonot]], but dochen bread is [[shehakol]]. | ||
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==Popcorn== | ==Popcorn== | ||
# Popcorn is HaAdama either because the seed is considered to be recognizable <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 100, chapter 12) and Or Letzion (vol 2, 14:11)</ref> or even though the seed has changed to the point that it’s unrecognizable as corn but nonetheless the seed is still intact < | # Popcorn is HaAdama either because the seed is considered to be recognizable<ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 100, chapter 12) and Or Letzion (vol 2, 14:11)</ref> or even though the seed has changed to the point that it’s unrecognizable as corn, but nonetheless the seed is still intact.<ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 409, chapter 22) in name of Rav Moshe Feinstein and Rav Shlomo Zalman. Yalkut Yosef (Brachot, 5751, p. 422) quotes his father as holding that popcorn is haadama. Halacha Brurah 202:29 agrees.</ref> However, some consider it [[Shehakol]]. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 100, chapter 12) quotes Rav Mordechai Eliyahu who says that the Bracha on popcorn is [[Shehakol]]. </Ref> | ||
==Corn flakes== | ==Corn flakes== | ||
# Corn flakes can either be [[shehakol]] or haadoma depending on how they are made. If made from flour – then [[shehakol]]. If made from rolled grits – then haadoma.<ref>Rav Yisrael Belsky in Shulchan HaLevi (3:13 p. 37) rules that cornflakes which are made from corn flour is [[Shehakol]], while if it is made from corn that was ground into grits, the bracha is HaAdama. He adds that if it is made from a combination of flour and grits, the bracha is HaAdama. </ref> | # Corn flakes can either be [[shehakol]] or haadoma depending on how they are made. If made from flour – then [[shehakol]]. If made from rolled grits – then haadoma.<ref>Rav Yisrael Belsky in Shulchan HaLevi (3:13 p. 37) rules that cornflakes which are made from corn flour is [[Shehakol]], while if it is made from corn that was ground into grits, the bracha is HaAdama. He adds that if it is made from a combination of flour and grits, the bracha is HaAdama. Vezot Habracha p. 200 quotes Rav Moshe that cornflakes are haadama if they're made from pieces of corn. But if they're made from corn flour, he quotes Rav Shlomo Zalman, that the bracha is shehakol.</ref> The way it is made depends on the company. Kellogs and Post are haadama, while Total and General Mills is shehakol.<ref>Vezot Habracha p. 200</ref> | ||
# Some say that the bracha for Sephardim on cornflakes is shehakol.<ref>Halacha Brurah 202:29</ref> Others say that it is haadama.<ref>Yalkut Yosef (Brachot, 5751, p. 422, and Brachot, 5767, p. 214). However, in Yalkut Yosef (Brachot, 5771, p. 144) he suggests that it should be shehakol since it is mixed with other ingredients and is similar to falafel. </ref> | |||
==Corn chips== | ==Corn chips== | ||
# Corn tortillas and corn chips would be [[shehakol]] since both are processed to the point where they loose their ideal brocha. <Ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 410, chapter 22) writes that corn tortillas and corn chips would be [[shehakol]] since both are processed to the point where they loose their ideal brocha. Rav Yisrael Belsky in Shulchan HaLevi (3:13 p. 37) rules that corn chips or corn tortillas are [[Shehakol]] in America or any country in which the majority of the corn isn't planted in order to be eaten as corn chips or tortillas. He explains that corn chips are made from cornmeal (corn flour) and so the bracha is [[Shehakol]]. </ref> For Sephardim the bracha is Haadama.<ref>[http://www.moreshet.co.il/web/shut/print.asp?id=134503&kod=&modul=15&codeClient=58 Rav Avraham Yosef] writes that corn chips made only from corn are haadama for Sephardim.</ref> | # Corn tortillas and corn chips would be [[shehakol]] since both are processed to the point where they loose their ideal brocha. <Ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 410, chapter 22) writes that corn tortillas and corn chips would be [[shehakol]] since both are processed to the point where they loose their ideal brocha. Rav Yisrael Belsky in Shulchan HaLevi (3:13 p. 37) rules that corn chips or corn tortillas are [[Shehakol]] in America or any country in which the majority of the corn isn't planted in order to be eaten as corn chips or tortillas. He explains that corn chips are made from cornmeal (corn flour) and so the bracha is [[Shehakol]]. </ref> For Sephardim the bracha is Haadama.<ref>[http://www.moreshet.co.il/web/shut/print.asp?id=134503&kod=&modul=15&codeClient=58 Rav Avraham Yosef] writes that corn chips made only from corn are haadama for Sephardim.</ref> | ||
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==Mashed potatoes== | ==Mashed potatoes== | ||
# Mashed potatoes are HaAdama. <ref> Rav Yakov Emden [http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=42759&st=&pgnum=217 (Sidur Bet Yakov Birchat Hanehenin Kuf n. 19)] writes that mashed potatoes are haadama even if they are mashed well with a spoon. The Mishna Brurah 202:40-2 writes that mashed potatoes are like the case of mashed dates which we follow Shulchan Aruch and only in the case of jam do we follow the Rama. Vezot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 99) writes that mashed potatoes are HaAdama and explains (pg 251) that since the texture and color are the same as the original vegetable the Bracha is the HaAdama. Halachos of [[Brachos]] (pg 406) quotes Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, Rav Sheinburg, and Rav Elyashiv who agree that mashed potatoes are HaAdama. Halacha Brurah 202:25 and Yalkut Yosef 202:22 rule that mashed potatoes are HaAdama. See also Sh"t Yabia Omer 7:29. </ref> | # Mashed potatoes are HaAdama.<ref> Rav Yakov Emden [http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=42759&st=&pgnum=217 (Sidur Bet Yakov Birchat Hanehenin Kuf n. 19)] writes that mashed potatoes are haadama even if they are mashed well with a spoon. The Mishna Brurah 202:40-2 writes that mashed potatoes are like the case of mashed dates which we follow Shulchan Aruch and only in the case of jam do we follow the Rama. Vezot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 99) writes that mashed potatoes are HaAdama and explains (pg 251) that since the texture and color are the same as the original vegetable the Bracha is the HaAdama. Halachos of [[Brachos]] (pg 406) quotes Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, Rav Sheinburg, and Rav Elyashiv who agree that mashed potatoes are HaAdama. Halacha Brurah 202:25 and Yalkut Yosef 202:22 rule that mashed potatoes are HaAdama. See also Sh"t Yabia Omer 7:29. </ref> | ||
# Many say that instant mashed potatoes are HaAdama since the result retains a resemblance of the original vegetable. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 407, chapter 22) in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman, Rabbi Chaim Pinchas Scheinburg, and Rav Elyashiv. Rav Yisrael Belsky in Shulchan HaLevi (3:12 p. 37) quotes Rav Moshe Feinstein as saying that instant mashed potatoes are HaAdama. Halacha Brurah 202:25 agrees.</ref> | # Many say that instant mashed potatoes are HaAdama since the result retains a resemblance of the original vegetable. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 407, chapter 22) in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman, Rabbi Chaim Pinchas Scheinburg, and Rav Elyashiv. Rav Yisrael Belsky in Shulchan HaLevi (3:12 p. 37) quotes Rav Moshe Feinstein as saying that instant mashed potatoes are HaAdama. Halacha Brurah 202:25 agrees. Vezot Habracha (Birur Halahca 16 p. 251) also quotes poskim who say it is haadama and then adds that it isn't a clear cut question. He concludes that if someone made shehakol he fulfilled his obligation according to everyone. </ref> | ||
==Bamba== | ==Bamba== | ||
