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==General Guidelines== | ==General Guidelines== | ||
# A cooked or baked dish made from any other flour other than flour of the 5 grains or rice is [[Shehakol]]. Therefore, the bracha on a cooked or baked dish, which is primarily made from corn or potato flour and does not include the 5 grains, is [[Shehakol]]. <ref> | # A cooked or baked dish made from any other flour other than flour of the 5 grains or rice is [[Shehakol]]. Therefore, the bracha on a cooked or baked dish, which is primarily made from corn or potato flour and does not include the 5 grains, is [[Shehakol]].<ref> | ||
* Gemara: Rav and Shmuel (Gemara [[Brachot]] 37a-b) hold that mixtures made from orez or dochen are not [[mezonot]]. The gemara finally rejects their opinion and concludes that the bracha rishona on orez bread is [[mezonot]] and bracha achrona is [[Boreh Nefashot]]. | * Gemara: Rav and Shmuel (Gemara [[Brachot]] 37a-b) hold that mixtures made from orez or dochen are not [[mezonot]]. The gemara finally rejects their opinion and concludes that the bracha rishona on orez bread is [[mezonot]] and bracha achrona is [[Boreh Nefashot]]. | ||
* Dispute amongst the rishonim about dochen: The Rif ([[Brachot]] 26a) rules that cooked orez is [[mezonot]], while bread made from dochen is [[shehakol]]. The Rambam ([[Brachot]] 3:10) agrees that orez that’s cooked or baked into bread is [[mezonot]], but dochen bread is [[shehakol]]. | * Dispute amongst the rishonim about dochen: The Rif ([[Brachot]] 26a) rules that cooked orez is [[mezonot]], while bread made from dochen is [[shehakol]]. The Rambam ([[Brachot]] 3:10) agrees that orez that’s cooked or baked into bread is [[mezonot]], but dochen bread is [[shehakol]]. | ||
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# Corn flakes can either be [[shehakol]] or haadoma depending on how they are made. If made from flour – then [[shehakol]]. If made from rolled grits – then haadoma.<ref>Rav Yisrael Belsky in Shulchan HaLevi (3:13 p. 37) rules that cornflakes which are made from corn flour is [[Shehakol]], while if it is made from corn that was ground into grits, the bracha is HaAdama. He adds that if it is made from a combination of flour and grits, the bracha is HaAdama. </ref> | # Corn flakes can either be [[shehakol]] or haadoma depending on how they are made. If made from flour – then [[shehakol]]. If made from rolled grits – then haadoma.<ref>Rav Yisrael Belsky in Shulchan HaLevi (3:13 p. 37) rules that cornflakes which are made from corn flour is [[Shehakol]], while if it is made from corn that was ground into grits, the bracha is HaAdama. He adds that if it is made from a combination of flour and grits, the bracha is HaAdama. </ref> | ||
==Corn chips== | ==Corn chips== | ||
# Corn tortillas and corn chips would be [[shehakol]] since both are processed to the point where they loose their ideal brocha. <Ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 410, chapter 22) writes that corn tortillas and corn chips would be [[shehakol]] since both are processed to the point where they loose their ideal brocha. Rav Yisrael Belsky in Shulchan HaLevi (3:13 p. 37) rules that corn chips or corn tortillas are [[Shehakol]] in America or any country in which the majority of the corn isn't planted in order to be eaten as corn chips or tortillas. He explains that corn chips are made from cornmeal (corn flour) and so the bracha is [[Shehakol]]. </ref> | # Corn tortillas and corn chips would be [[shehakol]] since both are processed to the point where they loose their ideal brocha. <Ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 410, chapter 22) writes that corn tortillas and corn chips would be [[shehakol]] since both are processed to the point where they loose their ideal brocha. Rav Yisrael Belsky in Shulchan HaLevi (3:13 p. 37) rules that corn chips or corn tortillas are [[Shehakol]] in America or any country in which the majority of the corn isn't planted in order to be eaten as corn chips or tortillas. He explains that corn chips are made from cornmeal (corn flour) and so the bracha is [[Shehakol]]. </ref> For Sephardim the bracha is Haadama.<ref>[http://www.moreshet.co.il/web/shut/print.asp?id=134503&kod=&modul=15&codeClient=58 Rav Avraham Yosef] writes that corn chips made only from corn are haadama for Sephardim.</ref> | ||
==Corn Bread== | |||
# Corn bread is mezonot since it has wheat flour in it.<ref>Halachos of Brachos Handbook (p. 31) writes that corn bread which are really primarily made from wheat flour are hamotzei like regular bread. Laws of Brachos (Rabbi Forst, pg 386, n. 2) agrees that if it is fit to be eaten as bread, the bracha is hamotzei. However, he concludes that if the corn bread is more like cake than bread because of its distinct corn (and sweet cakey) taste, the bracha is mezonot, unless one is Koveh Seudah on it.</ref> | |||
# Gluten free cornbread is shehakol.<ref>The Mishna Brurah 208:33 cites the Pri Megadim that cornbread made without wheat is haadama since the corn is planted for that reason. However, he also cites the Chatom Sofer OC 1:50 who argues that it is shehakol since it is primarily planted for animal food. See there where he entertains the idea that corn is included in rice. Laws of Brachos (p. 365) concludes that gluten free corn bread is shehakol.</ref> | |||
==Potato chips== | ==Potato chips== | ||
# Potato chips are HaAdama because it’s recognizably a thin slice of a potato that was fried. <Ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 407, chapter 22) in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman</ref> | # Potato chips are HaAdama because it’s recognizably a thin slice of a potato that was fried. <Ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 407, chapter 22) in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman</ref> | ||
===Pringles=== | ===Pringles=== | ||
# Some say that pringles are HaAdama since the result retains a resemblance of the original vegetable. <Ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 407, chapter 22) in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman and Rav Moshe Feinstein, Vezot haberacha pg. 239 in the name of Rav Elyashiv. | # Some say that pringles are HaAdama since the result retains a resemblance of the original vegetable. <Ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 407, chapter 22) in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman and Rav Moshe Feinstein, Vezot haberacha pg. 239 in the name of Rav Elyashiv. See [http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/64/Q1/ Rav Meir Bransdorfer] who is quoted as saying that pringles are [[shehakol]] and [https://oukosher.org/publications/whats-the-bracha-on-pringles/ the OU's article] which relays Rav Belsky's discussion of Rav Moshe's original opinion and retraction. </ref> Some hold that it is Shehakol.<ref>Yalkut Yosef (Brachot 5767 edition p. 213) wrote that Pringles are shehakol.</ref> | ||
==Potato Kugel and Latkes== | |||
# Potato Kugel according to many poskim is haadama.<ref>Yalkut Yosef (Brachot 5767, p. 213) writes that potato kugel is shehakol. On p. 188 he explains that since the ground potatoes are mixed with egg and other ingredients the minhag is to make haadama. Similarly, felafal are shehakol since they’re made with other ingredients. He distinguishes between kugel or falafel and sugar or chocolate between sugar and chocolate were cooked and totally changed. </ref> | |||
# Latkes are haadama if made with ground potatoes.<ref>Laws of Brachos (Rabbi Forst, pg 359-384), Yalkut Yosef (Klalei Sefer Brachot pg 208-214), Rav Schachter (Brachot Shiur 77 min 20)</ref> | |||
==Mashed potatoes== | ==Mashed potatoes== | ||
# Mashed potatoes are HaAdama. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 99) writes that mashed potatoes are HaAdama and explains (pg 251) that since the texture and color are the same as the original vegetable the Bracha is the HaAdama. Halachos of [[Brachos]] (pg 406) quotes Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, Rav Sheinburg, and Rav Elyashiv who agree that mashed potatoes are HaAdama. Halacha Brurah 202:25 and Yalkut Yosef 202:22 rule that mashed potatoes are HaAdama. See also Sh"t Yabia Omer 7:29. </ref> | # Mashed potatoes are HaAdama.<ref> Rav Yakov Emden [http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=42759&st=&pgnum=217 (Sidur Bet Yakov Birchat Hanehenin Kuf n. 19)] writes that mashed potatoes are haadama even if they are mashed well with a spoon. The Mishna Brurah 202:40-2 writes that mashed potatoes are like the case of mashed dates which we follow Shulchan Aruch and only in the case of jam do we follow the Rama. Vezot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 99) writes that mashed potatoes are HaAdama and explains (pg 251) that since the texture and color are the same as the original vegetable the Bracha is the HaAdama. Halachos of [[Brachos]] (pg 406) quotes Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, Rav Sheinburg, and Rav Elyashiv who agree that mashed potatoes are HaAdama. Halacha Brurah 202:25 and Yalkut Yosef 202:22 rule that mashed potatoes are HaAdama. See also Sh"t Yabia Omer 7:29. </ref> | ||
# Many say that instant mashed potatoes are HaAdama since the result retains a resemblance of the original vegetable. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 407, chapter 22) in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman, Rabbi Chaim Pinchas Scheinburg, and Rav Elyashiv. Rav Yisrael Belsky in Shulchan HaLevi (3:12 p. 37) quotes Rav Moshe Feinstein as saying that instant mashed potatoes are HaAdama. Halacha Brurah 202:25 agrees.</ref> | # Many say that instant mashed potatoes are HaAdama since the result retains a resemblance of the original vegetable. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 407, chapter 22) in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman, Rabbi Chaim Pinchas Scheinburg, and Rav Elyashiv. Rav Yisrael Belsky in Shulchan HaLevi (3:12 p. 37) quotes Rav Moshe Feinstein as saying that instant mashed potatoes are HaAdama. Halacha Brurah 202:25 agrees. Vezot Habracha (Birur Halahca 16 p. 251) also quotes poskim who say it is haadama and then adds that it isn't a clear cut question. He concludes that if someone made shehakol he fulfilled his obligation according to everyone. </ref> | ||
==Bamba== | ==Bamba== | ||
#Many are of the opinion that since the corn flour is totally unrecognizable, Bamba is Shehakol.<Ref>Vezot Habracha pg. 389</ref> However, some claim that since the corn is grown specifically for Bamba, and there are few ingredients but the puffed corn flour itself, the Beracha remains Haadama.<Ref>Rabbi Yitzchak Yosef (Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch vol. 1 Siman 203 Seif 6), where he testifies that he saw his father (Chacham Ovadia Yosef) make a Haadama on Bamba publicly on Pesach. See further Yalkut Yosef vol. 3 on Berachot | #Many are of the opinion that since the corn flour is totally unrecognizable, Bamba is Shehakol.<Ref>Vezot Habracha pg. 389, Birkhot Eliyahu pg. 100</ref> However, some claim that since the corn is grown specifically for Bamba, and there are few ingredients but the puffed corn flour itself, the Beracha remains Haadama.<Ref>Rabbi Yitzchak Yosef (Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch vol. 1 Siman 203 Seif 6), where he testifies that he saw his father (Chacham Ovadia Yosef) make a Haadama on Bamba publicly on Pesach. The gist of Rav Yitzchak Yosef's argument is that the species of corn used in all the different Bamba recipes is different from the standard corn eaten worldwide, in shape, color, and edibility. Since it is only grown for Bamba and popcorn, it remains discernible throughout the cooking process (he went to the factory to see for himself), and, according to Rabbenu Yerucham 16:2 regarding hearts of palm that something that is only edible when ground up retains its Beracha, the Beracha on Bamba is Haadama. He claims that he has received his father's support numerous times in writing and in the context of his father's shiurim. See further Yalkut Yosef vol. 3 on Berachot (page 422 and in the Miluim at the end of the volume), Ein Yitzchak (Vol. 2, pg 577), Yated HaMeir journal (Tamuz 5765), Shulchan HaMaarechet (Vol. 1, pg 428), Yalkut Yosef Berachot (5771, articles in the end of the Sefer, Siman 6, found in Otzar HaChochma). See Rabbi David Yosef (Halacha Brurahh vol. 8 pg 222) who claims like the first opinion in the name of his father that anything that undergoes a change of shape and taste becomes Shehakol. Though he doesn't explicitly reference Bamba, he is widely quoted to disagree with the Yalkut Yosef on this matter by [http://matzav.com/bamba-bracha-blitz popular media outlets] specifically because the corn for Bamba is not grown just for Bamba and such parameters are likely to change. See Haskama in introduction to the 10th volume, where his father seems to support his opinion of saying shehakol. In "Maran Meor Yisrael" weekly pamphlet (Emor 5778), a letter from Rav Yitzchak Yosef was published restating his opinion and adding that his father related that when he wrote that Haskama he had been told that the reason why Rav Yitzchak Yosef posits the Beracha is Haadamah is that the taste of the corn is still discernible. When it was proven that that was not the case, Rav Ovadia wrote in the Haskama that the Beracha should be Shehakol. Afterwards, Rav Ovadia read what Rav Yitzchak wrote and agreed that it should be Ha'adamah and even recited Haadamah on bamba twice in Rav Yitzchak's presence. The letter also points out that he only knows first hand regarding the Osem Bambas and was told that all Bamba from other brands is made the same way. One should find out in Chut LaAretz what the reality is. [http://www.ykr.org.il/modules/Ask/answer/4841 Rabbi Meir Mazuz ] also says to say shehakol on Bamba. [http://shut.moreshet.co.il/shut2.asp?id=129580 Rabbi Avraham Yosef] agrees but adds that if one says haadama that is good too. Most recently, Rav Yitzchak Yosef reviewed the issue at length in his Motzei Shabbat Shiur ([http://maran.hug.co.il/home/doc.aspx?mCatID=70&icid=52&mode=s Beshalach 5775, about 50:00]). He tells the story about how originally everyone thought the Beracha was Shehakol, until he chanced upon touring the Bamba factory in Migdal HaEmek, was showed the entire process from start to finish, and discussed it with his father, who agreed that it should be Haadamah. That very year, his father made a Haadama on Bamba at the Seder and instructed the rest of the family to do the same. He added that this species of corn can only be used for popcorn, Bamba, and tortillas.</ref> | ||
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