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* Gemara: Rav and Shmuel (Gemara [[Brachot]] 37a-b) hold that mixtures made from orez or dochen are not [[mezonot]]. The gemara finally rejects their opinion and concludes that the bracha rishona on orez bread is [[mezonot]] and bracha achrona is [[Boreh Nefashot]]. | * Gemara: Rav and Shmuel (Gemara [[Brachot]] 37a-b) hold that mixtures made from orez or dochen are not [[mezonot]]. The gemara finally rejects their opinion and concludes that the bracha rishona on orez bread is [[mezonot]] and bracha achrona is [[Boreh Nefashot]]. | ||
* Dispute amongst the rishonim about dochen: The Rif ([[Brachot]] 26a) rules that cooked orez is [[mezonot]], while bread made from dochen is [[shehakol]]. The Rambam ([[Brachot]] 3:10) agrees that orez that’s cooked or baked into bread is [[mezonot]], but dochen bread is [[shehakol]]. | * Dispute amongst the rishonim about dochen: The Rif ([[Brachot]] 26a) rules that cooked orez is [[mezonot]], while bread made from dochen is [[shehakol]]. The Rambam ([[Brachot]] 3:10) agrees that orez that’s cooked or baked into bread is [[mezonot]], but dochen bread is [[shehakol]]. | ||
* One anonymous | * One anonymous gaon (quoted by Talmidei Rabbenu Yonah Berachot 26a s.v. VePat), Rabbenu Yonah (Berachot 26a), and the Rosh ([[Brachot]] 6:8) argue that the bracha on dochen bread is [[mezonot]] since dochen is filling just like orez. | ||
* Identifying orez and dochen: Tosfot 37a s.v. Rashi explain that orez is rice and dochen is millet. Bet Yosef 208:8 sides with the opinion of Tosfot. | * Identifying orez and dochen: Tosfot 37a s.v. Rashi explain that orez is rice and dochen is millet. Bet Yosef 208:8 sides with the opinion of Tosfot. | ||
* Halachic ruling: S”A 208:7-8 rules like the Rif and Rambam that cooked rice or rice bread is [[mezonot]], but dochen bread is [[shehakol]]. Beiur Halacha s.v. Al Pat asks why Shulchan Aruch ruled like the Rif and Rambam against the majority of rishonim. He concludes that one who wants to make [[mezonot]] on dochen bread may do so. | * Halachic ruling: S”A 208:7-8 rules like the Rif and Rambam that cooked rice or rice bread is [[mezonot]], but dochen bread is [[shehakol]]. Beiur Halacha s.v. Al Pat asks why Shulchan Aruch ruled like the Rif and Rambam against the majority of rishonim. He concludes that one who wants to make [[mezonot]] on dochen bread may do so. | ||
