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* One anonymous goan (quoted by Talmidei Rabbenu Yonah 26a s.v. VePat), Rabbenu Yonah (ibid.), and the Rosh ([[Brachot]] 6:8) argue that the bracha on dochen bread is [[mezonot]] since dochen is filling just like orez. | * One anonymous goan (quoted by Talmidei Rabbenu Yonah 26a s.v. VePat), Rabbenu Yonah (ibid.), and the Rosh ([[Brachot]] 6:8) argue that the bracha on dochen bread is [[mezonot]] since dochen is filling just like orez. | ||
* Identifying orez and dochen: Tosfot 37a s.v. Rashi explain that orez is rice and dochen is millet. Bet Yosef 208:8 sides with the opinion of Tosfot. | * Identifying orez and dochen: Tosfot 37a s.v. Rashi explain that orez is rice and dochen is millet. Bet Yosef 208:8 sides with the opinion of Tosfot. | ||
* Halachic ruling: S”A 208:7-8 rules like the Rif and Rambam that cooked rice or rice bread is [[mezonot]], but dochen bread is [[shehakol]]. | * Halachic ruling: S”A 208:7-8 rules like the Rif and Rambam that cooked rice or rice bread is [[mezonot]], but dochen bread is [[shehakol]]. Beiur Halacha s.v. Al Pat asks why Shulchan Aruch ruled like the Rif and Rambam against the majority of rishonim. He concludes that one who wants to make [[mezonot]] on dochen bread may do so. | ||
* Other satiating grains: The Talmidei Rabbenu Yonah ([[Brachot]] 26a s.v. VePat) quotes one Goan and Rabbenu Yonah as having ruled that any grain, which we know provides sustenance is [[mezonot]]. Tur 208:8 agrees. | * Other satiating grains: The Talmidei Rabbenu Yonah ([[Brachot]] 26a s.v. VePat) quotes one Goan and Rabbenu Yonah as having ruled that any grain, which we know provides sustenance is [[mezonot]]. Tur 208:8 agrees. Beiur Halacha s.v. Al Pat quotes the Tosfot HaRosh as agreeing as well. | ||
* Halachic ruling: The | * Halachic ruling: The Beiur Halacha points out that Shulchan Aruch who ruled that dochen bread and panisu bread was [[Shehakol]], clearly ruled against the Rabbenu Yonah. Accordingly, Chatom Sofer (responsa O.C. #50) originally assumes that bread made from born flour can not be [[mezonot]] considering that we hold like the Rif and Rambam as opposed to the Rabbenu Yonah. | ||
* Corn products: The Talmidei Rabbenu Yonah ([[Brachot]] 26a s.v. VeHaPat) offers two explanations as to why the bracha on bread made from lentils is [[shehakol]] and not haadama. First, the baked product is a complete change from the lentils themselves and does not warrant boreh pri haadama. Second, lentils are not usually eaten in the form of bread. The Chatom Sofer O.C. 50 applies these two answers to bread made from corn flour. According to the first one, the bracha is [[shehakol]], but according to the second, since the primary way to eat corn is in this way, the bracha is haadama. See there for his other arguments. | * Corn products: The Talmidei Rabbenu Yonah ([[Brachot]] 26a s.v. VeHaPat) offers two explanations as to why the bracha on bread made from lentils is [[shehakol]] and not haadama. First, the baked product is a complete change from the lentils themselves and does not warrant boreh pri haadama. Second, lentils are not usually eaten in the form of bread. The Chatom Sofer O.C. 50 applies these two answers to bread made from corn flour. According to the first one, the bracha is [[shehakol]], but according to the second, since the primary way to eat corn is in this way, the bracha is haadama. See there for his other arguments. | ||
* Bottom line about corn products: The Laws of [[Brachos]] (p. 304) and Halachos of [[Brachos]] (p. 405) rule that foods made from corn flour are [[shehakol]] since the flour is ground to the extent that it is not recognizable as corn. Their rulings are based on the Rama 202:7. Vezot HaBracha (p. 200), Badatz Yerushalayim (Madrich [[Kashrut]] 5771 p. 130), and Rav Yisrael Belsky in Shulchan HaLevi (3:13 p. 37) agree. | * Bottom line about corn products: The Laws of [[Brachos]] (p. 304) and Halachos of [[Brachos]] (p. 405) rule that foods made from corn flour are [[shehakol]] since the flour is ground to the extent that it is not recognizable as corn. Their rulings are based on the Rama 202:7. Vezot HaBracha (p. 200), Badatz Yerushalayim (Madrich [[Kashrut]] 5771 p. 130), and Rav Yisrael Belsky in Shulchan HaLevi (3:13 p. 37) agree. | ||
