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# There's three ways that bread can loose it's status of bread and become a food which requires Mezonot. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 22, chapter 3) </ref> | # There's three ways that bread can loose it's status of bread and become a food which requires Mezonot. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 22, chapter 3) </ref> | ||
==Cooked bread== | ==Cooked bread== | ||
# Bread that was crumbled to a size of less than a Kezayit and also cooked in a liquid (as opposed to baking) it takes on the bracha of Mezonot. <ref> S"A 168:10 </ref> | # Bread that was crumbled to a size of less than a [[Kezayit]] and also cooked in a liquid (as opposed to baking) it takes on the bracha of Mezonot. <ref> S"A 168:10 </ref> | ||
# In order to be considered cooked the pieces of bread have to be in a hot pot (at least Yad Soldet Bo) on the fire or at least a pot that was removed from the fire (Kli Rishon), however, if it was heated in a Kli Sheni (a pot from which hot water was poured from a pot that was on the fire) the bread isn't considered cooked and the bracha is HaMotzei. <ref> Mishna Brurah 168:52, Vezot HaBracha (pg 22 note 3, chapter 3) </ref> | # In order to be considered cooked the pieces of bread have to be in a hot pot (at least Yad Soldet Bo) on the fire or at least a pot that was removed from the fire (Kli Rishon), however, if it was heated in a Kli Sheni (a pot from which hot water was poured from a pot that was on the fire) the bread isn't considered cooked and the bracha is HaMotzei. <ref> Mishna Brurah 168:52, Vezot HaBracha (pg 22 note 3, chapter 3) </ref> | ||
# If hot water that was poured from a pot that was on the the fire at one point, there's a doubt whether the bread is considered cooking and so in such a case one should make HaMotzei on real bread and eat it. <ref> Vezot (pg 23 note 3, chapter 3) </ref> | # If hot water that was poured from a pot that was on the the fire at one point, there's a doubt whether the bread is considered cooking and so in such a case one should make HaMotzei on real bread and eat it. <ref> Vezot (pg 23 note 3, chapter 3) </ref> | ||
# According to Ashkenazim who hold that Matzah is HaMotzei if one dips Matzeh in a Kli Sheni (a cup of coffee which was poured from the water heater) the bracha is still HaMotzei. <ref> See Vezot HaBracha (pg 23 note 3, chapter 3) </ref> | # According to Ashkenazim who hold that Matzah is HaMotzei if one dips Matzeh in a Kli Sheni (a cup of coffee which was poured from the water heater) the bracha is still HaMotzei. <ref> See Vezot HaBracha (pg 23 note 3, chapter 3) </ref> | ||
==Fried bread== | ==Fried bread== | ||
# There's a doubt regarding bread which was crumbled to pieces smaller than a Kezayit that was fried there's a doubt whether the bracha is Mezonot or is HaMotzei. <ref> Mishna Brurah 168:56, Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3) </ref> According to Sephardim, the bracha is Mezonot. <ref> Yalkut Yosef (vol 3, pg 127) </ref> | # There's a doubt regarding bread which was crumbled to pieces smaller than a [[Kezayit]] that was fried there's a doubt whether the bracha is Mezonot or is HaMotzei. <ref> Mishna Brurah 168:56, Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3) </ref> According to Sephardim, the bracha is Mezonot. <ref> Yalkut Yosef (vol 3, pg 127) </ref> | ||
# Matzah Brei, according to Ashkenazim who hold Matzeh is HaMotzei all year, if it's broken to pieces smaller than a Kezayit and then fried (with enough oil to give a taste to the Matzeh), there's a doubt about the bracha and so it should be eaten in a meal, however if it's deep fried the bracha is Mezonot. <ref> | # Matzah Brei, according to Ashkenazim who hold Matzeh is HaMotzei all year, if it's broken to pieces smaller than a [[Kezayit]] and then fried (with enough oil to give a taste to the Matzeh), there's a doubt about the bracha and so it should be eaten in a meal, however if it's deep fried the bracha is Mezonot. <ref> | ||
* Many Ashkenazic poskim write that the matza which is crumbled and fried is the same as bread which is crumbled and fried and according to the Mishna Brurah 168:56 there is a dispute whether frying is like cooking and so the bracha is in doubt. Therefore, one should eat it in a meal. However, if the pieces are deep fried then certainly the bracha is mezonot (based on Rama 168:14). This is the opinion of Sh"t Rivevot Efraim 6:234, Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3), Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 475, chapter 26), The laws of Brachos (Rabbi Binyamin Forst; chapter 8, pg 266 and pg 263 note 111), Rabbi Yisrael Belsky in [https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehalacha.com%2Fattach%2FVolume3%2FIssue13.pdf Halachically Speaking (vol 3, Issue 13, note 57)], and [http://www.kashrut.org/forum/viewpost.asp?mid=3312&highlight=brei Rabbi Abadi]. | * Many Ashkenazic poskim write that the matza which is crumbled and fried is the same as bread which is crumbled and fried and according to the Mishna Brurah 168:56 there is a dispute whether frying is like cooking and so the bracha is in doubt. Therefore, one should eat it in a meal. However, if the pieces are deep fried then certainly the bracha is mezonot (based on Rama 168:14). This is the opinion of Sh"t Rivevot Efraim 6:234, Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3), Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 475, chapter 26), The laws of Brachos (Rabbi Binyamin Forst; chapter 8, pg 266 and pg 263 note 111), Rabbi Yisrael Belsky in [https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehalacha.com%2Fattach%2FVolume3%2FIssue13.pdf Halachically Speaking (vol 3, Issue 13, note 57)], and [http://www.kashrut.org/forum/viewpost.asp?mid=3312&highlight=brei Rabbi Abadi]. | ||
* There is a minority opinion of the Chazon Ish OC 26:9, Shoneh Halachot 168:32, and Teshuvot VeHanhagot 3:143(5) who hold that frying is certainly not considered like cooking and so the bracha is Hamotzei. | * There is a minority opinion of the Chazon Ish OC 26:9, Shoneh Halachot 168:32, and Teshuvot VeHanhagot 3:143(5) who hold that frying is certainly not considered like cooking and so the bracha is Hamotzei. | ||
