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# Preferably, [[Selichot]] should be said at the end of the night before [[Olot HaShachar]],<ref>Mishna Brurah (Introduction to 581), Maamar Mordechai (Rav Mordechai Eliyahu) 34:5 write that preferably, [[Selichot]] should be said at the end of the night before [[Olot HaShachar]]. </ref> but if one delayed one can say it after [[Olot HaShachar]].<ref>Ma'amar Mordechai 34:5.</ref> Those who are unable to rise early to say [[Selichot]], should nonetheless say [[Selichot]], either in the morning before [[Shacharit]] or even in the afternoon before [[Mincha]]. The morning is better than the afternoon<ref>Chazon Ovadyah (Yamim Noraim, pg 6-7), Yalkut Yosef Moadim page 10, Yechave Daat 1:46. | # Preferably, [[Selichot]] should be said at the end of the night before [[Olot HaShachar]],<ref>Mishna Brurah (Introduction to 581), Maamar Mordechai (Rav Mordechai Eliyahu) 34:5 write that preferably, [[Selichot]] should be said at the end of the night before [[Olot HaShachar]]. [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14215&pgnum=10 Imrei Noam of Gra on Brachot 3a s.v. yesh omrim] interprets the gemara that the shifts of the night (heb. אשומורות הלילה; trans. ''ashmurot haleyla'') do not end at olot like the Tosfot and Magen Avraham understood. Rather they end at Netz like the Rambam. See Rav Moshe Feinstein (2:105) who relates the time of selichot to the shifts of the night.</ref> but if one delayed one can say it after [[Olot HaShachar]].<ref>Ma'amar Mordechai 34:5.</ref> Those who are unable to rise early to say [[Selichot]], should nonetheless say [[Selichot]], either in the morning before [[Shacharit]] or even in the afternoon before [[Mincha]]. The morning is better than the afternoon<ref>Chazon Ovadyah (Yamim Noraim, pg 6-7), Yalkut Yosef Moadim page 10, Yechave Daat 1:46. See [https://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/966109/rabbi-chaim-jachter/selihot-before-minha/ Rabbi Chaim Jachter]</ref> | ||
#The minhag is to say selichot before Shacharit even when it is after Olot even though Tadir would demand that it is said afterwards.<ref>Mekor Neeman 1:520 explains that we say selichot first so that it is as close to Olot as possible. Rivevot Efraim 8:234:6 notes that seemingly we should say shacharit first but such is the minhag.</ref> | #The minhag is to say selichot before Shacharit even when it is after Olot even though Tadir would demand that it is said afterwards.<ref>Mekor Neeman 1:520 explains that we say selichot first so that it is as close to Olot as possible. Rivevot Efraim 8:234:6 notes that seemingly we should say shacharit first but such is the minhag.</ref> | ||
#If someone missed selichot and could either daven with a minyan or say selichot first and then daven by himself he should daven with the minyan and then say selichot by himself.<ref>Rivevot Efraim 8:234:6</ref> | #If someone missed selichot and could either daven with a minyan or say selichot first and then daven by himself he should daven with the minyan and then say selichot by himself.<ref>Rivevot Efraim 8:234:6</ref> | ||
