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* The Rosh ([[Brachot]] 4:23) explains that this leniency only applies to [[Shacharit]] because the congregation will say [[Mussaf]] immediately afterwards as opposed to forgetting in [[Mussaf]] where it’s not sufficient not to repeat and depend on mentioning [[Rosh Chodesh]] in [[Mincha]] because [[Mincha]] is not said immediately afterwards. | * The Rosh ([[Brachot]] 4:23) explains that this leniency only applies to [[Shacharit]] because the congregation will say [[Mussaf]] immediately afterwards as opposed to forgetting in [[Mussaf]] where it’s not sufficient not to repeat and depend on mentioning [[Rosh Chodesh]] in [[Mincha]] because [[Mincha]] is not said immediately afterwards. | ||
* However, the Smag (quoted by Tur 126:3) says that it also applies to [[Mussaf]]; if the Shaliach Tzibbur didn’t mention [[Rosh Chodesh]] in the Chazara of [[Mussaf]] then he is not obligated to return because he can make it up in [[Mincha]]. However, the Tur argues strongly that this is not found in the Gemara. The Bet Yosef 126:3 quotes the Smag saying that this actually was one version of the text of the Gemara, nonetheless, the Bet Yosef concludes that we hold like the Tur because that is the text of the Rosh 4:23, Rif 21a, and Rambam 10:12. The S”A 126:3 rules like the Tur that there’s no leniency by [[Mussaf]]. | * However, the Smag (quoted by Tur 126:3) says that it also applies to [[Mussaf]]; if the Shaliach Tzibbur didn’t mention [[Rosh Chodesh]] in the Chazara of [[Mussaf]] then he is not obligated to return because he can make it up in [[Mincha]]. However, the Tur argues strongly that this is not found in the Gemara. The Bet Yosef 126:3 quotes the Smag saying that this actually was one version of the text of the Gemara, nonetheless, the Bet Yosef concludes that we hold like the Tur because that is the text of the Rosh 4:23, Rif 21a, and Rambam 10:12. The S”A 126:3 rules like the Tur that there’s no leniency by [[Mussaf]]. | ||
* [Actually, our version of the Gemara says that the same is true of forgetting [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] in [[Mariv]] and [[Mussaf]] because one could make it up in [[Shacharit]] and [[Mincha]], respectively. However, Tosfot 30b writes that the version which extends this idea to [[Mariv]] is incorrect because the later Gemara gives a different reason why one who forgets to say [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] at [[Mariv]] doesn’t have to repeat Shemonah Esrei. Additionally, Hagahot HaGra (ibid.) writes that the Rif and the other poskim don’t have the text which extends this idea beyond [[Shacharit]].] </ref> | * [Actually, our version of the Gemara says that the same is true of forgetting [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] in [[Mariv]] and [[Mussaf]] because one could make it up in [[Shacharit]] and [[Mincha]], respectively. However, Tosfot 30b writes that the version which extends this idea to [[Mariv]] is incorrect because the later Gemara gives a different reason why one who forgets to say [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] at [[Mariv]] doesn’t have to repeat Shemonah Esrei. Additionally, Hagahot HaGra ({{ibid}}.) writes that the Rif and the other poskim don’t have the text which extends this idea beyond [[Shacharit]].] </ref> | ||
# The same is true if on [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]], meaning that if the Shaliach Tzibbur doesn’t mention any reference to [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]] in Chazara of [[Shacharit]], but rather says a Chazara of a weekday [[Shacharit]]. If he completed the Chazara he doesn’t have to repeat. However, if the Shaliach Tzibbur remembered before the end of Chazara he should return to the beginning of Yismach Moshe (on [[Shabbat]]) or Atta Bechartanu (on [[Yom Tov]]). <ref> | # The same is true if on [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]], meaning that if the Shaliach Tzibbur doesn’t mention any reference to [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]] in Chazara of [[Shacharit]], but rather says a Chazara of a weekday [[Shacharit]]. If he completed the Chazara he doesn’t have to repeat. However, if the Shaliach Tzibbur remembered before the end of Chazara he should return to the beginning of Yismach Moshe (on [[Shabbat]]) or Atta Bechartanu (on [[Yom Tov]]). <ref> | ||
* For background see above footnote. The Smak (quoted by the Tur 126:3) writes that the leniency of the Gemara, that if the Shaliach Tzibbur forgets to mention [[Rosh Chodesh]] in Chazara of [[Shacharit]] on [[Rosh Chodesh]] he doesn’t have to repeat the Shemonah Esrei applies equally to [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]]. [The Mishna Brurah 126:14 explains the case is that the Shaliach Tzibbur said a Chazara of a weekday [[Shacharit]] in place of [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]].] The Tur agreed with the Smak. The Rama 126:3 rules like the Smak. The Mishna Brurah 126:15 writes that even though some argue the halacha follows the Rama. | * For background see above footnote. The Smak (quoted by the Tur 126:3) writes that the leniency of the Gemara, that if the Shaliach Tzibbur forgets to mention [[Rosh Chodesh]] in Chazara of [[Shacharit]] on [[Rosh Chodesh]] he doesn’t have to repeat the Shemonah Esrei applies equally to [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]]. [The Mishna Brurah 126:14 explains the case is that the Shaliach Tzibbur said a Chazara of a weekday [[Shacharit]] in place of [[Shabbat]] or [[Yom Tov]].] The Tur agreed with the Smak. The Rama 126:3 rules like the Smak. The Mishna Brurah 126:15 writes that even though some argue the halacha follows the Rama. | ||
