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# Bottom line: If a broken kli is thrown out by most people it’s Muktzeh.  
# Bottom line: If a broken kli is thrown out by most people it’s Muktzeh.  
# Hagahot Rabbi Akiva Eiger 308:24 quotes the Rashba 125 D”H Ha Amar Shmuel who says that really a broken needle is only Muktzeh if it was broken from before [[Shabbat]], otherwise it’s not Muktzeh since it entered [[Shabbat]] as a kli. However, Rabbi Akiva Eiger argues that since if a broken needle was thrown out on [[Shabbat]] it’s Muktzeh and a broken kli that’s thrown out on [[Shabbat]] isn’t Muktzeh it seems that a broken needle is fundamentally worse and even if was broken on [[Shabbat]] it’s Muktzeh. [The Rashba holds that even by broken kelim that are thrown out on [[Shabbat]] are Muktzeh just like a broken needle that’s thrown out on [[Shabbat]].]  
# Hagahot Rabbi Akiva Eiger 308:24 quotes the Rashba 125 D”H Ha Amar Shmuel who says that really a broken needle is only Muktzeh if it was broken from before [[Shabbat]], otherwise it’s not Muktzeh since it entered [[Shabbat]] as a kli. However, Rabbi Akiva Eiger argues that since if a broken needle was thrown out on [[Shabbat]] it’s Muktzeh and a broken kli that’s thrown out on [[Shabbat]] isn’t Muktzeh it seems that a broken needle is fundamentally worse and even if was broken on [[Shabbat]] it’s Muktzeh. [The Rashba holds that even by broken kelim that are thrown out on [[Shabbat]] are Muktzeh just like a broken needle that’s thrown out on [[Shabbat]].]  
## (My question (Ike Sultan) is from the fact that the Magan Avraham asked by there’s a difference between seif 11 and seif 7 and not seif 6 which is the beginning of the topic of broken kelim, rather perhaps the magan Avraham means only to discuss where it broke on [[Shabbat]] itself.)
## Note that the Magan Avraham asked about the difference between seif 11 and seif 7 and not seif 6 which is the beginning of the topic of broken kelim.
# Orah VeSimcha 25:8 D”H Aval, Tehila LeDavid 308:17, Badei HaShulchan 109:12 hold like Hagahot Rabbi Akiva Eiger.  
# Orah VeSimcha 25:8 D”H Aval, Tehila LeDavid 308:17, Badei HaShulchan 109:12 hold like Hagahot Rabbi Akiva Eiger.  
## Megilat Sefer (pg 268) D”H Min HaAmur writes that if one rips a plastic bag bag open in a destructive way it’s Muktzeh since it’s usual to throw out. However, Adnei Shlomo (pg 265, 308:204) argues based on the Rashba. the Chut HaSheni (Rav Nassim Karlitz; vol 3, chapter 51, pg 106) also argues that if it was not thrown out before [[Shabbat]] it’s not Muktzeh. [Matnat Yehuda (pg 317) quotes Rav Nassim Karlitz and praises it. ]
## Megilat Sefer (pg 268) D”H Min HaAmur writes that if one rips a plastic bag bag open in a destructive way it’s Muktzeh since it’s usual to throw out. However, Adnei Shlomo (pg 265, 308:204) argues based on the Rashba. the Chut HaSheni (Rav Nassim Karlitz; vol 3, chapter 51, pg 106) also argues that if it was not thrown out before [[Shabbat]] it’s not Muktzeh. [Matnat Yehuda (pg 317) quotes Rav Nassim Karlitz and praises it. ]
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