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# If a vessel broke before [[Shabbat]] and one threw it in the garbage before [[Shabbat]], it’s considered [[Muktzeh Machmat Gufo]].<Ref>Gemara Shabbat 125a, Shulchan Aruch 308:7. Rashi explains that by throwing it in the garbage makes it not a kli. </ref> However if one threw out a vessel on [[Shabbat]] it doesn’t become [[Muktzeh]].<Ref>Gemara Shabbat 124b, Mishna Brurah 308:32. The Shitah LRan Shabbat 124b s.v. im explains that once it is a kli before Shabbat it retains that status throughout Shabbat even if thrown out. That is also seen in the Ritva Shabbat 124b s.v. matkif. </ref>
# If a vessel broke before [[Shabbat]] and one threw it in the garbage before [[Shabbat]], it’s considered [[Muktzeh Machmat Gufo]].<Ref>Gemara Shabbat 125a, Shulchan Aruch 308:7. Rashi explains that by throwing it in the garbage makes it not a kli. </ref> However if one threw out a vessel on [[Shabbat]] it doesn’t become [[Muktzeh]].<Ref>Gemara Shabbat 124b, Mishna Brurah 308:32. The Shitah LRan Shabbat 124b s.v. im explains that once it is a kli before Shabbat it retains that status throughout Shabbat even if thrown out. That is also seen in the Ritva Shabbat 124b s.v. matkif. </ref>
## If a utensil broke before Shabbat but one didn't throw it in the garbage yet it isn't muktzeh since the action of throwing it out makes it muktzeh.<ref>Chut Shani ch. 59</ref>
## If a utensil broke before Shabbat but one didn't throw it in the garbage yet it isn't muktzeh since the action of throwing it out makes it muktzeh.<ref>Chut Shani ch. 59</ref>
## If one isn't sure if an item was thrown out before Shabbat and is mutkzeh or not one should be strict.<ref>Rabbi Akiva Eiger 308:8 writes that if a person isn't sure whether an item was thrown out before Shabbat and is muktzeh or not perhaps one can say that there is a chazaka to be lenient for muktzeh, which is a [[dvar sheyesh lo matirin]]. He ends the issue unresolved. Biur Halacha 308:7 s.v. mbod is lenient only if it is found in a place that it might be that it wasn't really thrown in the garbage.</ref>
# If one threw out a perfectly good vessel even before Shabbat it is not considered [[Muktzeh]].<Ref>Tosfot 125a s.v. im, Ritva 124b s.v. matkif, Mishna Brurah 308:51. Biur Halacha 308:7 s.v. vim zarka explains that it is because his designation is nullified by most people (''batel dato etzel kol adam''). </ref>
# If one threw out a perfectly good vessel even before Shabbat it is not considered [[Muktzeh]].<Ref>Tosfot 125a s.v. im, Ritva 124b s.v. matkif, Mishna Brurah 308:51. Biur Halacha 308:7 s.v. vim zarka explains that it is because his designation is nullified by most people (''batel dato etzel kol adam''). </ref>