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==Cooked Bread==
==Cooked Bread==
# Bagels which are made by boiling dough and then baking it are HaMotzei.<ref>Mieri Pesachim 3b s.v. Iysa, Shulchan Aruch 168:14, Vezot HaBracha p. 363</ref>
# Bagels are Hamotzei since they are made by boiling and then baking dough.<ref>Mieri Pesachim 3b s.v. Iysa, Shulchan Aruch 168:14, Pri Megadim (E"A 168:39), Kaf Hachaim 168:59, Vezot HaBracha p. 363</ref>
# Bread that was crumbled to a size of less than a [[Kezayit]] and also cooked in a liquid (as opposed to baking) it takes on the bracha of [[Mezonot]]. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 168:10 </ref>
# Bread that was crumbled to a size of less than a [[Kezayit]] and also cooked in a liquid (as opposed to baking) it takes on the bracha of [[Mezonot]]. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 168:10 </ref>
# In order to be considered cooked the pieces of bread have to be in a hot pot (at least Yad Soldet Bo) on the fire or at least a pot that was removed from the fire (Kli Rishon), however, if it was heated in a Kli Sheni (a pot from which hot water was poured from a pot that was on the fire) the bread isn't considered cooked and the bracha is [[HaMotzei]]. <ref> Mishna Brurah 168:52, Vezot HaBracha (pg 22 note 3, chapter 3) </ref>  
# In order to be considered cooked the pieces of bread have to be in a hot pot (at least Yad Soldet Bo) on the fire or at least a pot that was removed from the fire (Kli Rishon), however, if it was heated in a Kli Sheni (a pot from which hot water was poured from a pot that was on the fire) the bread isn't considered cooked and the bracha is [[HaMotzei]]. <ref> Mishna Brurah 168:52, Vezot HaBracha (pg 22 note 3, chapter 3) </ref>  
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===Matzah Brei===
===Matzah Brei===
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# [[Matzah]] Brei, according to Ashkenazim who hold Matzeh is [[HaMotzei]] all year, if it's broken to pieces smaller than a [[Kezayit]] and then fried (with enough oil to give a taste to the Matzeh), there's a doubt about the bracha and so it should be eaten in a meal, however if it's deep fried the bracha is [[Mezonot]]. <ref>  
# [[Matzah]] Brei, if the matzah is broken to pieces smaller than a [[Kezayit]] and then fried (with enough oil to give a taste to the Matzeh), there's a doubt about the bracha and so it should be eaten in a meal, however if it's deep fried the bracha is [[Mezonot]]. <ref>  
* Many Ashkenazic poskim write that the [[matza]] which is crumbled and fried is the same as bread which is crumbled and fried and according to the Mishna Brurah 168:56 there is a dispute whether frying is like [[cooking]] and so the bracha is in doubt. Therefore, one should eat it in a meal. However, if the pieces are deep fried then certainly the bracha is [[mezonot]] (based on Rama 168:14). This is the opinion of Sh"t Rivevot Efraim 6:234, Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3), Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 475, chapter 26), The laws of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Binyamin Forst; chapter 8, pg 266 and pg 263 note 111), Rabbi Yisrael Belsky in [https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehalacha.com%2Fattach%2FVolume3%2FIssue13.pdf Halachically Speaking (vol 3, Issue 13, note 57)], and [http://www.kashrut.org/forum/viewpost.asp?mid=3312&highlight=brei Rabbi Abadi].  
* Many Ashkenazic poskim write that the [[matza]] which is crumbled and fried is the same as bread which is crumbled and fried and according to the Mishna Brurah 168:56 there is a dispute whether frying is like [[cooking]] and so the bracha is in doubt. Therefore, one should eat it in a meal. However, if the pieces are deep fried then certainly the bracha is [[mezonot]] (based on Rama 168:14). This is the opinion of Sh"t Rivevot Efraim 6:234, Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3), Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 475, chapter 26), The laws of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Binyamin Forst; chapter 8, pg 266 and pg 263 note 111), Rabbi Yisrael Belsky in [https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehalacha.com%2Fattach%2FVolume3%2FIssue13.pdf Halachically Speaking (vol 3, Issue 13, note 57)], and [http://www.kashrut.org/forum/viewpost.asp?mid=3312&highlight=brei Rabbi Abadi].  
* There is a minority opinion of the Chazon Ish OC 26:9, Shoneh Halachot 168:32, and Teshuvot VeHanhagot 3:143(5) who hold that frying is certainly not considered like [[cooking]] and so the bracha is [[Hamotzei]].  
* There is a minority opinion of the Chazon Ish OC 26:9, Shoneh Halachot 168:32, and Teshuvot VeHanhagot 3:143(5) who hold that frying is certainly not considered like [[cooking]] and so the bracha is [[Hamotzei]].  
* See Sh"t Sheilat Shlomo 1:74 who holds that the bracha is [[Mezonot]]. See also Sh"t Shevet Ha’Levi 7:27(4), Minchas Osher pages 44-46, V’haish Mordechai pages 259-261, Shalmei Moed page 344, Kaf HaChaim 168:85, Avnei Yushfei 1:39:2, and http://www.mevaseret.org/mmy/searchshiurim.php?shiur=247. </ref> According to Sephardim, some say that [[Matzah]] Brei on [[Pesach]] is [[Mezonot]]. <ref> See Chazon Ovadyah ([[Brachot]] pg 65) who writes that if the pieces are larger than a [[Kezayit]] the bracha is [[hamotzei]]. Maharsham 8:81 quotes the Gan Hamelech who suggests the possibility that even for Ashekanazim the bracha on fried matzah would be mezonot since it is only hamotzei since it is designated as a meal food for the mitzvah of matzah but fried matzah which isn't fit for the mitzvah of matzah might be mezonot. Piskei Teshuvot (168 note 120) discusses the Maharsham and adds that the Chazon Ish seems to totally ignore this consideration. He writes that for Sephardim who consider [[Matza]] all year round to be [[Mezonot]] also can consider [[Matza]] Brei to be [[Mezonot]] on [[Pesach]]. He doesn't source this other than the Yalkut Yosef (Brachot p. 127) who simply writes that the minhag of Sephardim not on Pesach is to recite mezonot but doesn't mention matzah brei.</ref>However, if it’s fried with a little oil, just enough to prevent it from burning, the Bracha is [[HaMotzei]]. <Ref>Rama 168:14, Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 471:5) </ref>
* See Sh"t Sheilat Shlomo 1:74 who holds that the bracha is [[Mezonot]]. See also Sh"t Shevet Ha’Levi 7:27(4), Minchas Osher pages 44-46, V’haish Mordechai pages 259-261, Shalmei Moed page 344, Kaf HaChaim 168:85, Avnei Yushfei 1:39:2, and http://www.mevaseret.org/mmy/searchshiurim.php?shiur=247. </ref> Sephardim hold that the bracha on matzah brei is mezonot.<ref>Yalkut Yosef (Brachot 168:4, p. 127) and Halacha Brurah 168:34 write that frying is like cooking and clarify that frying matzah or bread pieces less than a kezayit make them mezonot. Rav Moshe Halevi in Birkat Hashem 2:2:26 agrees. See Piskei Teshuvot (168 fnt. 120) who writes that Sephardim should hold it is mezonot for the fact that they usually make mezonot on it all year so on Pesach it can also be mezonot if it can't be used for the mitzvah, but Chazon Ovadia Brachot p. 65 rejects that suggestion.</ref>
# However, if it’s fried with a little oil, just enough to prevent it from burning, the Bracha is [[HaMotzei]]. <Ref>Rama 168:14, Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 471:5) </ref>


==Kneaded with a liquid==
==Kneaded with a liquid==