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* The Gemara (74a) cites a cryptic Braisa, which seems self-contradictory: the Braisa first permits selecting from a food mixture and then rules that doing so is forbidden by Torah law. The Gemara suggests five ways to reconcile the Braisa, three of which remain relevant. First, one may select from a food mixture by hand but it is forbidden by Torah law to select using a specialized sorting instrument such as a sieve. Second, one may select from a food mixture as long as one takes the Ochel (food) from the Psoles (non-food) but it is forbidden by Torah law to select the Psoles from the Ochel. Third, one may select from a food mixture for purposes of immediate consumption but selecting and then putting aside for future use is forbidden by Torah law. * Rabbeinu Chananel (74a-b) understands that the three answers of the Gemara do not disagree; in order to avoid Borer one must fulfill all three conditions by separating the Ochel from the Psoles by hand for immediate use. While the halacha follows Rabbeinu Chananel, since Shulchan Aruch 317:1 agrees with him, it is interesting to note that not all rishonim agree.  
* The Gemara (74a) cites a cryptic Braisa, which seems self-contradictory: the Braisa first permits selecting from a food mixture and then rules that doing so is forbidden by Torah law. The Gemara suggests five ways to reconcile the Braisa, three of which remain relevant. First, one may select from a food mixture by hand but it is forbidden by Torah law to select using a specialized sorting instrument such as a sieve. Second, one may select from a food mixture as long as one takes the Ochel (food) from the Psoles (non-food) but it is forbidden by Torah law to select the Psoles from the Ochel. Third, one may select from a food mixture for purposes of immediate consumption but selecting and then putting aside for future use is forbidden by Torah law. * Rabbeinu Chananel (74a-b) understands that the three answers of the Gemara do not disagree; in order to avoid Borer one must fulfill all three conditions by separating the Ochel from the Psoles by hand for immediate use. While the halacha follows Rabbeinu Chananel, since Shulchan Aruch 317:1 agrees with him, it is interesting to note that not all rishonim agree.  
* For instance, Rashi 75a s.v. vehatanya holds that as long as a person does the separation immediately before eating it is permitted. Rashi’s opinion seems to be that the primary requirement is that perform an action as part of the process of eating. In any event, Tosfot 75a s.v. vahatanya disagrees with Rashi’s approach and seems to require at least that the selection be for immediate consumption as well done with one’s hand. Perhaps Tosfot believes it is only permitted to separate foods if it is significantly different from the way that a person would separate for storage. </ref>  
* For instance, Rashi 75a s.v. vehatanya holds that as long as a person does the separation immediately before eating it is permitted. Rashi’s opinion seems to be that the primary requirement is that perform an action as part of the process of eating. In any event, Tosfot 75a s.v. vahatanya disagrees with Rashi’s approach and seems to require at least that the selection be for immediate consumption as well done with one’s hand. Perhaps Tosfot believes it is only permitted to separate foods if it is significantly different from the way that a person would separate for storage. </ref>  
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## You must separate for immediate use or just prior to a meal (the amount of time it takes to prepare the food). <ref> S”A 319:1-2, Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:2 bring these three requirements as halacha. </ref>
## You must separate for immediate use or just prior to a meal (the amount of time it takes to prepare the food). <ref> S”A 319:1-2, Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:2 bring these three requirements as halacha. </ref>


==Clarification of the first condition==
==Clarification of the First Condition: Good from Bad==
# It's permissible to remove a the refuse together with a piece of a good food. <ref> Taz 319:13 writes that when removing a fly from a drink it’s permissible if one takes the fly with some liquid with it. Most achronim hold like the Taz including Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 80:19, Mishna Brurah 319:61, Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:18, and The 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 3 pg 419).
# It's permissible to remove a the refuse together with a piece of a good food. <ref> Taz 319:13 writes that when removing a fly from a drink it’s permissible if one takes the fly with some liquid with it. Most achronim hold like the Taz including Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 80:19, Mishna Brurah 319:61, Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:18, and The 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 3 pg 419).
* Chazon Ish explained that the Taz means that since the fly was contained in a separate mixture of liquid removing that mixture entirely and not separating within the mixture is permissible. According to this, a significant amount of liquid must be removed with the fly so that it can form it’s own mixture.  
* Chazon Ish explained that the Taz means that since the fly was contained in a separate mixture of liquid removing that mixture entirely and not separating within the mixture is permissible. According to this, a significant amount of liquid must be removed with the fly so that it can form it’s own mixture.  
* However, [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 104-5 in the note) writes that the Mishna Brurah disagrees with the Chazon ish and concludes that a particle of liquid suffices and that the Taz’s leniency would apply to dry foods. The [[Shabbat]] kitchen explains that the reason of the Taz’s leniency is because of it’s not similar to the way borer is normally done.  
* However, [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 104-5 in the note) writes that the Mishna Brurah disagrees with the Chazon ish and concludes that a particle of liquid suffices and that the Taz’s leniency would apply to dry foods. The [[Shabbat]] kitchen explains that the reason of the Taz’s leniency is because of it’s not similar to the way borer is normally done.  
* Iglai Tal #6 writes that the Taz’s leniency only allows you to do it right before the eating. [[Shabbos]] Kitchen argues that it should be permitted even for storing away. Menuchat Ahava 7:11 agrees. See Sh”t [[Tefillah]] lemoshe 1:49(9) who argues on the Chazon Ish.</ref> Nonetheless, one should make sure that one remove a substantial amount of good together with the bad. <ref> The 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 3 pg 421) </ref>
* Iglai Tal #6 writes that the Taz’s leniency only allows you to do it right before the eating. [[Shabbos]] Kitchen argues that it should be permitted even for storing away. Menuchat Ahava 7:11 agrees. See Sh”t [[Tefillah]] lemoshe 1:49(9) who argues on the Chazon Ish.</ref> Nonetheless, one should make sure that one remove a substantial amount of good together with the bad. <ref> The 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 3 pg 421) </ref>
# If one has food in one’s mouth one may remove what you want from what you don’t want. <Ref> Igrot Moshe O”C 4:74 Borer 7, Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:11, and [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 103) </ref>
# If one has food in one’s mouth one may remove what you don't want from what you want. <Ref> Igrot Moshe O”C 4:74 Borer 7, Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:11, and [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 103) </ref>
# If a food has a peel that covers it entirely one may remove the part that’s unwanted (peel) from the part that’s desired (fruit), however this action must be done right before the meal and with one's hand. <Ref> S”A 321:19, Beiur Halacha 321:19 s.v. LeKlof, Menuchat Ahava (vol 2 7:11), and Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:29 </ref>
# If a food has a peel that covers it entirely one may remove the part that’s unwanted (peel) from the part that’s desired (fruit), however this action must be done right before the meal and with one's hand. <Ref> S”A 321:19, Beiur Halacha 321:19 s.v. LeKlof, Menuchat Ahava (vol 2 7:11), and Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:29 </ref>
# Where it’s impossible to separate the food from the waste it’s permissible to take out the waste. For example, one who cuts open a cantaloupe may scoop out the seeds and leave the fruit. <Ref>[[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 103) in name of Rav Scheinberg </ref>
# Where it’s impossible to separate the food from the waste it’s permissible to take out the waste. For example, one who cuts open a cantaloupe may scoop out the seeds and leave the fruit. <Ref>[[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 103) in name of Rav Scheinberg </ref>
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# It’s permissible to separate a food that’s not desired now but desired for later in the same meal from another food that’s desired right now. <Ref> [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 103), Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:65 </ref>
# It’s permissible to separate a food that’s not desired now but desired for later in the same meal from another food that’s desired right now. <Ref> [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 103), Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:65 </ref>
===Examples===
===Examples===
# It’s permissible to remove a sticker or label on [[challah]], but one should be careful to take off some crust with it. <ref>Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:31 </ref>
# It’s permissible to remove a sticker, label, or foil stuck to [[challah]], as long as it is done right before eating. <ref>Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:31 </ref>
# One may remove honeydew or other melon seeds which are concentrated in the center of the fruit if done right before eating. <Ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:33 </ref>
# One may remove honeydew or other melon seeds which are concentrated in the center of the fruit if done right before eating. <Ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:33 </ref>
# A knife isn’t considered a vessel designated for borer and may be used to peel. <Ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:31 </ref>
# A knife isn’t considered a vessel designated for borer and may be used to peel. <Ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:31 </ref>
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* peanut shell <ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:31,34, Menuchat Ahava (vol 2, 7:7) </ref>
* peanut shell <ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:31,34, Menuchat Ahava (vol 2, 7:7) </ref>


==Clarification of the second condition==
==Clarification of the Second Condition: With One's Hand==
# It’s forbidden to use a sieve or strainer. <Ref>S”A 319:1 </ref>
# It’s forbidden to use a sieve or strainer. <Ref>Shulchan Aruch 319:1 </ref>
# A utensil like a fork is permissible if it’s used as an extension to one’s hand, meaning it’s used not to get one’s hands dirty or in order to pick up a liquid but it doesn’t help one separate any better than if one did it with one’s hands. Some Sephardic authorities permit under all circumstances. <Ref> Rabbi Moshe Feinstein in Sh”t Igrot Moshe O"C 1:126, Brit Olam (Borer #28), Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:45, and [[Shabbos]] Kitchen permit using utensils when they are used as because one can't touch it with one's hand (because of manners or the food is hot) but when it's used to aid in seperation, the utensils are forbidden. However, Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 3 pg 261) in name of [[Rabbi Ovadyah Yosef]], Menuchat Ahava (vol 2 7:7), and Sh"t Or Letzion (1:27 pg 68) permit it under all circumstances. Lastly, Rabbi Shlomo Amar in Sh"t Shema Shlomo 1:8 writes that it's preferable to be strict like the Igrot Moshe, however in cases of great need or if there's a doubt whether it's aidding the separation or it's for conveince, it's permissible. </ref>
# A utensil like a fork is permissible if it’s used as an extension to one’s hand, meaning it’s used not to get one’s hands dirty or in order to pick up a liquid but it doesn’t help one separate any better than if one did it with one’s hands. Some Sephardic authorities permit under all circumstances. <Ref> Rabbi Moshe Feinstein in Sh”t Igrot Moshe O"C 1:126, Brit Olam (Borer #28), Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:45, and [[Shabbos]] Kitchen permit using utensils when they are used as because one can't touch it with one's hand (because of manners or the food is hot) but when it's used to aid in seperation, the utensils are forbidden. However, Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 3 pg 261) in name of [[Rabbi Ovadyah Yosef]], Menuchat Ahava (vol 2 7:7), and Sh"t Or Letzion (1:27 pg 68) permit it under all circumstances. Lastly, Rabbi Shlomo Amar in Sh"t Shema Shlomo 1:8 writes that it's preferable to be strict like the Igrot Moshe, however in cases of great need or if there's a doubt whether it's aidding the separation or it's for conveince, it's permissible. </ref>
# Some say that using a peeler is an issue of using a tool designated for Borer.<ref>39 Melachos (v. 2, p. 404) citing the Eglei Tal</ref>
# Some say that using a peeler is an issue of using a tool designated for Borer.<ref>39 Melachos (v. 2, p. 404) citing the Eglei Tal</ref>
===Coffee Filters and French Press===
# It is forbidden to use a French press on Shabbat but it is permitted to use a coffee filter to strain out the grinds by pouring the unfiltered coffee through the filter. This is only true of the issue of Borer, however, it is forbidden to cook on Shabbat and so it would only be permitted to use a coffee if the water being used is a Kli Shelishi (according to those who allow using a Kli Shelishi).<ref>[https://sites.google.com/site/asktherabbieretzhemdah/home/coffee-filter-on-shabbat Article on Eretz Chemda's Site] writes that it is permitted to use a coffee filter on Shabbat since it is similar to the case of a strainer used for wine in the Mishna Shabbat 137. However, it is forbidden to use a french press since that involves using a kli to separate a mixture.[https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/855590/rabbi-aryeh-lebowitz/ten-minute-halacha-filtering-coffee-and-french-press-on-shabbos-and-yom-tov/ Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] agreed that it is permitted to use the coffee filter based on Shulchan Aruch 319:9 but not a french press since that involves your action to separate the mixture.</ref>
# On Yom Tov it is permitted to use a French press or a coffee filter to make coffee.<ref>[https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/855590/rabbi-aryeh-lebowitz/ten-minute-halacha-filtering-coffee-and-french-press-on-shabbos-and-yom-tov/ Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] explains that since cooking and Borer are permitted on Yom Tov for the purpose of Ochel Nefesh as long as the food couldn't have been made in the same way before Yom Tov it is permitted to use a coffee filter or French press on Yom Tov to make coffee.</ref>


==Clarification of the third condition==
==Clarification of the Third Condition: Immediate==
# It is only permitted to separate with intent to eat the food immediately, while it’s forbidden to separate with intent to eat the food after some time even within the same day. <Ref> S”A 319:2 rules that separating food in one’s hand for later in the day is considered like separating to store the food and one violates Borer Deoritta. </ref>
# It is only permitted to separate with intent to eat the food immediately, while it’s forbidden to separate with intent to eat the food after some time even within the same day. <Ref> Shulchan Aruch 319:2 rules that separating food in one’s hand for later in the day is considered like separating to store the food and one violates Borer Deoritta. </ref>
# Separating before a meal for the time it takes to prepare the meal is considered separating for immediate use. For example if it takes one a half hour to prepare for the meal one may separate only within a half hour of the meal. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 319:45 says that the borer must be done right next to the meal. Even though the Ben Ish Chai (Beshalach 1) writes that within a half hour of the meal is considered immediately before the meal, Sh”t Igrot Moshe 4:74 (Borer #13) holds that one only has the time it takes to prepare the meal prior to the meal. So writes the Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:63, The 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 3 pg 412), [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 100), Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 3 pg 265 486), and Menuchat Ahava (vol 2 7:6). </ref> One may not separate and then take a few minute break before the meal. <ref> The 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 3, pg 412) </ref>
# Separating before a meal for the time it takes to prepare the meal is considered separating for immediate use. For example if it takes one a half hour to prepare for the meal one may separate only within a half hour of the meal. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 319:45 says that the borer must be done right next to the meal. Even though the Ben Ish Chai (Beshalach 1) writes that within a half hour of the meal is considered immediately before the meal, Sh”t Igrot Moshe 4:74 (Borer #13) holds that one only has the time it takes to prepare the meal prior to the meal. So writes the Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:63, The 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 3 pg 412), [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 100), Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 3 pg 265 486), and Menuchat Ahava (vol 2 7:6). </ref> One may not separate and then take a few minute break before the meal. <ref> The 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 3, pg 412) </ref>
# Separating right before a meal is permissible even if one will only eat the food later in meal which may be after several hours. However, separating to eat food after the meal or in another meal is forbidden. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 319:5 writes that separating with intent to eat the food after the meal or in another meal is forbidden. </ref>
# Separating right before a meal is permissible even if one will only eat the food later in meal which may be after several hours. However, separating to eat food after the meal or in another meal is forbidden. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 319:5 writes that separating with intent to eat the food after the meal or in another meal is forbidden. </ref>
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# If one separated in order to eat immediately and then changed his mind and decided not to eat, some say that he violated Borer, while others say it’s permissible after the fact, therefore one should avoid such a situation. <Ref> Shaar HaTziyun 319:5 quotes the Pri Megadim who says that after the fact the food is permitted if one had in mind to eat it immediately even if one changes his mind afterwards. Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 3 pg 272) brings this as a doubt and says that one should avoid such a situation. </ref>
# If one separated in order to eat immediately and then changed his mind and decided not to eat, some say that he violated Borer, while others say it’s permissible after the fact, therefore one should avoid such a situation. <Ref> Shaar HaTziyun 319:5 quotes the Pri Megadim who says that after the fact the food is permitted if one had in mind to eat it immediately even if one changes his mind afterwards. Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 3 pg 272) brings this as a doubt and says that one should avoid such a situation. </ref>


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==Alternative ways to permit Borer==
==Alternative ways to permit Borer==
# One may throw all of the items of a mixture onto a table or on the ground so that they scatter. Once the items are separate identifiable units it is permitted to use each one separately without any prohibition of Borer. <Ref>Based on [[Shabbat]] 74a, it seems that throwing a mixture out of the container so that the pieces separate so it’s not a mixture anymore would be permitted and allow one to put away each piece of the mixture separately. This is also the opinion of Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:3 (note 6 in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman), Sh”t Igrot Moshe 4:74 Borer #11</ref>
# One may throw all of the items of a mixture onto a table or on the ground so that they scatter. Once the items are separate identifiable units it is permitted to use each one separately without any prohibition of Borer. <Ref>Based on [[Shabbat]] 74a, it seems that throwing a mixture out of the container so that the pieces separate so it’s not a mixture anymore would be permitted and allow one to put away each piece of the mixture separately. This is also the opinion of Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:3 (note 6 in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman), Sh”t Igrot Moshe 4:74 Borer #11</ref>