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#It is permitted to use a ladle to serve soup even though placing the ladle back in the pot with droplets on it is going to cook those drops.<ref>Halacha Brurah (318:143 p. 361) writes that it is permitted to use a ladle to serve soup even though replacing the ladle back in the pot is going to cook to the liquid on it when put back in a kli rishon. Even though the drops might not be yad soledet bo and aren’t contained in a kli rishon, still they can be returned since it is a pesik reisha dlo nicha leh, the drops were cooked once and some rishonim hold ein bishul achar bishul even for liquids, and it is a chatzi shiur. he cites Mishna Halachot 6:67, Tzitz Eliezer 13:40, and Minchat Yitzchak 9:30 as also being lenient. He cites Menuchat Ahava 2:10:34 p. 353 who is strict regarding the wet cup but lenient regarding the wet ladle.</ref> | #It is permitted to use a ladle to serve soup even though placing the ladle back in the pot with droplets on it is going to cook those drops.<ref>Halacha Brurah (318:143 p. 361) writes that it is permitted to use a ladle to serve soup even though replacing the ladle back in the pot is going to cook to the liquid on it when put back in a kli rishon. Even though the drops might not be yad soledet bo and aren’t contained in a kli rishon, still they can be returned since it is a pesik reisha dlo nicha leh, the drops were cooked once and some rishonim hold ein bishul achar bishul even for liquids, and it is a chatzi shiur. he cites Mishna Halachot 6:67, Tzitz Eliezer 13:40, and Minchat Yitzchak 9:30 as also being lenient. He cites Menuchat Ahava 2:10:34 p. 353 who is strict regarding the wet cup but lenient regarding the wet ladle.</ref> | ||
==Saving a Burning Cholent== | |||
# If one noticed a cholent that is burning on Shabbat, according to Ashkenazim it is permitted to take a cup of water from the hot water urn and immediately pour it into the cholent put. It isn't considered cooking since the water was already boiling and it isn't an issue of [[hachzara]] since it was in one's hand with the intention to be put into another food on the fire.<ref>Orchot Shabbat 1:2:73:3</ref> Alternatively, one could bring the cholent pot to under the spigot of the urn or bring the urn to the cholent pot and pour in water directly. For all of the above methods one should be careful to pour in the water slowly that it doesn't stir its contents. Also one should make sure that the steam isn't so close to the spigot of the urn.<ref>Orchot Shabbat 1:2:73:1-2</ref> | |||
##According to Sephardim all of these options are forbidden.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 253:4, [https://itorah.com/lecture/audio/rabbi-eli-mansour/pouring-hot-water-into-hamin-cholent-on-shabbat/1632/6 Rabbi Mansour] citing Rav Ovadia Yosef in Halichot Olam v. 4 p. 61, Yachava Daat, and Rav Ben Tzion Abba Shaul in Or Letzion 2</ref> Instead they should use the following methods: | |||
# An alternative is to leave a bag of water in the cholent pot from before Shabbat and if one notices that the cholent is burning one can pop that bag on Shabbat.<ref>[https://itorah.com/lecture/audio/rabbi-eli-mansour/pouring-hot-water-into-hamin-cholent-on-shabbat/1632/6 Rabbi Mansour], Or Hahalacha p. 175</ref> | |||
# An alternative is to leave a metal ladle in the hot water urn for a while until it becomes very hot, specifically Yad Soledet Bo. Then one can ladle out some water from the urn and place it gently into the cholent pot.<ref>Or Hahalacha p. 175</ref> | |||
# Another option is to pick up the cholent from the cholent pot and then put it on a hot plate or on top of a pot on top of a hot plate.<ref>Or Hahalacha p. 175</ref> | |||
#Certainly one may not put in tap water or even cooked water that cooled down in a cholent that is burning.<ref>Orchot Shabbat 1:2:71</ref> | |||
==Hot Tap Water== | ==Hot Tap Water== | ||
#Turning on the hot tap water is prohibited on [[Shabbat]].<ref>Halachos of Shabbat (Rabbi Eider p. 395), The 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2 pg 639), Igrot Moshe YD 2:33, Yabia Omer OC 4:35. R' Eider cites Rav Henkin (Edut Lyisrael p. 122), Chelkat Yakov 1:78, Minchat Yitzchak 3:137, Tzitz Eliezer 2:18, Chazon Ish's letter in Menucha Nechona p. 61 who all agree that using the hot tap water is forbidden on Shabbat. </ref> It’s forbidden to use the hot water even if one turns off the hot water heater before [[Shabbat]].<ref>The 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2 pg 640) </ref> | #Turning on the hot tap water is prohibited on [[Shabbat]].<ref>Halachos of Shabbat (Rabbi Eider p. 395), The 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2 pg 639), Igrot Moshe YD 2:33, Yabia Omer OC 4:35. R' Eider cites Rav Henkin (Edut Lyisrael p. 122), Chelkat Yakov 1:78, Minchat Yitzchak 3:137, Tzitz Eliezer 2:18, Chazon Ish's letter in Menucha Nechona p. 61 who all agree that using the hot tap water is forbidden on Shabbat. </ref> It’s forbidden to use the hot water even if one turns off the hot water heater before [[Shabbat]].<ref>The 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2 pg 640) </ref> | ||
#In cases of extreme need there may be a basis for permitting using hot tap water in a multi-family home, however, a Rav must be consulted before using this leniency.<ref>The 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2 pg 640) considers it to be a case of safek pesik reisha with a grama which has a possibility of being lenient. However, he isn't sure that it is a grama. Yabia Omer 4:35 flatly rejects the idea that it is grama since as the hot water is remove new cold water enters. Igrot Moshe YD 2:33 agrees.</ref> | #In cases of extreme need there may be a basis for permitting using hot tap water in a multi-family home, however, a Rav must be consulted before using this leniency.<ref>The 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2 pg 640) considers it to be a case of safek pesik reisha with a grama which has a possibility of being lenient. However, he isn't sure that it is a grama. Yabia Omer 4:35 flatly rejects the idea that it is grama since as the hot water is remove new cold water enters. Igrot Moshe YD 2:33 agrees.</ref> | ||
