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*The Chazon Ish OC 50:9 holds that for water there's no dispute and everyone agrees that there's a Biblical violation of Bishul to reheat it since after it was heated up and cooled down there's no lasting effect of the original cooking on the water. He applies the same logic to reheating metal multiple times in regards to [[Electricity on Shabbat]].</ref> | *The Chazon Ish OC 50:9 holds that for water there's no dispute and everyone agrees that there's a Biblical violation of Bishul to reheat it since after it was heated up and cooled down there's no lasting effect of the original cooking on the water. He applies the same logic to reheating metal multiple times in regards to [[Electricity on Shabbat]].</ref> | ||
# Some say that it is permitted to ask a non-Jew to reheat a liquid on Shabbat in a way that isn't a problem of [[Hachzara]]. Sephardim rely on this opinion and Ashkenazim generally don't.<ref>Birkei Yosef (Shiurei Bracha 318:1) quotes the Shaar Aryeh and Rav Volli who hold that it is permited to ask a non-Jew to heat up pre-cooked liquids on Shabbat since it is a dispute in the rishonim if it is permitted. Kaf HaChayim on Shulchan Arukh, Orach Chayim 318:51:1 cites the Birkei Yosef. The Rama 253:5 quotes the Rashba who seems to forbid this even after the fact. Biur Halacha 253:5 s.v. lhachem cites this Birkei Yosef and questions whether we should rely upon it and concludes that after the fact it is permitted. [Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Lech Lecha 5781, min 15)] ruled like the Birkei Yosef and answered how it fits with the Rashba and Rama. The Rashba in fact only forbade asking a non-Jew to light a fire and then reheat a liquid.</ref> | |||
====Definition of Liquids==== | ====Definition of Liquids==== | ||
#Sephardim hold that as long as majority of the volume of the food is solid and a minority is liquid it is classified as a solid. If the majority is a liquid it is classified as a liquid.<ref>Yechava Daat 2:45, Yabia Omer OC 6:48:16, Minchat Cohen Shabbat 2:2, Kaf Hachaim 318:62, Pri Megadim E"A 253:32</ref> | #Sephardim hold that as long as majority of the volume of the food is solid and a minority is liquid it is classified as a solid. If the majority is a liquid it is classified as a liquid.<ref>Yechava Daat 2:45, Yabia Omer OC 6:48:16, Minchat Cohen Shabbat 2:2, Kaf Hachaim 318:62, Pri Megadim E"A 253:32</ref> | ||
#Ashkenazim are more strict. Some poskim hold that any accumulation of liquid is considered liquid. A moist food with a drop of liquid on it is still considered solid.<ref>39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat v. 2 p. 594) writes that any accumulation of liquid on a food is considered a liquid. His proof is Rav Moshe (Igrot Moshe 4:74:7) and Mishna Brurah 318:32 who imply that any liquid is considered a liquid. Nonetheless, he learns from the Mishna Brurah that moist food is still considered a solid. Additionally a drop of liquid on a food is considered a solid.</ref> However, other poskim define a solid by a food that is edible even when cold. A liquid is something that is only edible when heated up.<ref>Orchot Shabbat p. 14 as explained by Rav Mordechai Willig in The Laws of Cooking and Warming Food on Shabbat p. 27</ref> | #Ashkenazim are more strict. Some poskim hold that any accumulation of liquid is considered liquid. A moist food with a drop of liquid on it is still considered solid.<ref>39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat v. 2 p. 594) writes that any accumulation of liquid on a food is considered a liquid. His proof is Rav Moshe (Igrot Moshe 4:74:7) and Mishna Brurah 318:32 who imply that any liquid is considered a liquid. Nonetheless, he learns from the Mishna Brurah that moist food is still considered a solid. Additionally a drop of liquid on a food is considered a solid.</ref> However, other poskim define a solid by a food that is edible even when cold. A liquid is something that is only edible when heated up.<ref>Orchot Shabbat p. 14 as explained by Rav Mordechai Willig in The Laws of Cooking and Warming Food on Shabbat p. 27</ref> | ||
#For example, there is a dispute whether ketchup is considered a solid or liquid since it pours (first opinion), on the other hand it is edible cold and so it is considered a solid (second opinion).<ref>Rav Mordechai Willig in The Laws of Cooking and Warming Food on Shabbat p. 27 explains the dispute between Rav Moshe Feinstein ( | #For example, there is a dispute whether ketchup is considered a solid or liquid since it pours (first opinion), on the other hand it is edible cold and so it is considered a solid (second opinion).<ref>Rav Mordechai Willig in The Laws of Cooking and Warming Food on Shabbat p. 27 explains the dispute between Rav Moshe Feinstein (Igrot Moshe 4:74:5) and Rav Shlomo Zalman and Rav Elyashiv (Orchot Shabbat p. 14) in this manner. Rav Moshe holds it is a liquid since it pours, while the other poskim assume it is a solid since it is edible cold. Rav Willig accepts the definition of the other poskim.</ref> | ||
#Soupy cholent is considered a liquid and dry cholent is considered a solid.<ref>39 Melachos v. 2 p. 645</ref> | #Soupy cholent is considered a liquid and dry cholent is considered a solid.<ref>39 Melachos v. 2 p. 645</ref> | ||
