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# It is not considered stealing to borrow an item that will surely not be damaged from use, that nobody objects when others borrow it. For example, since nobody minds when you use their hanger, sit on their chair, or wash your hands with their washing cup, it is not considered stealing to borrow it. <ref> S"A Harav Hilchot She'ela Seif 5 based on Ritva Baba Metzia 41a, Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 59. However, he writes that if the owner is around, one should still ask permission </ref>However, if a significant minority would object, even if not the majority, it may not be used without permission.<ref> S"A Harav Hilchot She'ela Seif 5, Shu"t Igrot Moshe OC 5:20:5, Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 60 </ref> Certainly, if the owner is standing there and objects to your usage, it would be stealing to use it anyway.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 60 note 145, Maharsham 227 </ref> Additionally, if the borrower is aware of some reason that the owner might object, he may not use it without his permission.<ref> Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 60</ref> | # It is not considered stealing to borrow an item that will surely not be damaged from use, that nobody objects when others borrow it. For example, since nobody minds when you use their hanger, sit on their chair, or wash your hands with their washing cup, it is not considered stealing to borrow it. <ref> S"A Harav Hilchot She'ela Seif 5 based on Ritva Baba Metzia 41a, Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 59. However, he writes that if the owner is around, one should still ask permission </ref>However, if a significant minority would object, even if not the majority, it may not be used without permission.<ref> S"A Harav Hilchot She'ela Seif 5, Shu"t Igrot Moshe OC 5:20:5, Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 60 </ref> Certainly, if the owner is standing there and objects to your usage, it would be stealing to use it anyway.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 60 note 145, Maharsham 227 </ref> Additionally, if the borrower is aware of some reason that the owner might object, he may not use it without his permission.<ref> Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 60</ref> | ||
# If it is clear that the owner does not object, one may borrow the item without permission. For example, if in the past one regularly borrows a particular item, it indicates that the owner does not object, the person may use that type of item without asking permission.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 61 </ref> | # If it is clear that the owner does not object, one may borrow the item without permission. For example, if in the past one regularly borrows a particular item, it indicates that the owner does not object, the person may use that type of item without asking permission.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 61 </ref> | ||
# If an item is being borrowed to perform a mitzva, we presume that the owner does not object if it doesn't cost him anything, as people are usually pleased to have others perform a mitzva with their possessions.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 61 </ref> | # If an item is being borrowed to perform a mitzva, we presume that the owner does not object if it doesn't cost him anything, as people are usually pleased to have others perform a mitzva with their possessions.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 61, Shulchan Aruch OC 14:4 </ref> see [[Details_About_the_Tefillin_Boxes_and_Straps#Borrowing_Tefillin|Borrowing Tefillin]] | ||
## However, there are instances where common sense dictates that the owner would not want you to borrow his item without asking for permission: | |||
### if the borrower knows that the owner would object because he is very meticulous or stingy or the like.<Ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 62, Aruch Hashulchan 14:11 </ref> | |||
==Zeh Neheneh Zeh Lo Chaser== | ==Zeh Neheneh Zeh Lo Chaser== | ||
# You have the right to prevent anyone from using your property even if you don’t lose if they were to use it. Zeh Neheneh Zeh Lo Chaser is only after the fact.<ref>Tofsot bava kama 20b, Tosfot bava batra 12b, Mordechai bava kama n. 16, Rama CM 363:6, Biur HaGra there, Pitchei Choshen Genevah 8:3. None of the sources quote someone who argues besides the Gra cites the Rosh and disagrees. Either way the Rosh is only potentially allowing it because he is watching the house and helping out but generally he agrees with Tosfot. Nodah Beyehuda CM 24 applies the rule even if the property can’t be sold. Pitchei Choshen discusses that perhaps that’s a difference between Tosfot and Mordechai and the Rama followed the Mordechai.</ref> | # You have the right to prevent anyone from using your property even if you don’t lose if they were to use it. Zeh Neheneh Zeh Lo Chaser is only after the fact.<ref>Tofsot bava kama 20b, Tosfot bava batra 12b, Mordechai bava kama n. 16, Rama CM 363:6, Biur HaGra there, Pitchei Choshen Genevah 8:3. None of the sources quote someone who argues besides the Gra cites the Rosh and disagrees. Either way the Rosh is only potentially allowing it because he is watching the house and helping out but generally he agrees with Tosfot. Nodah Beyehuda CM 24 applies the rule even if the property can’t be sold. Pitchei Choshen discusses that perhaps that’s a difference between Tosfot and Mordechai and the Rama followed the Mordechai.</ref> | ||
