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# The aravot should initially be nice in order to fulfill hiddur mitzvah. However, as long as they have a single leaf on them they are fit.<ref>Shulchan Aruch and Rama OC 664:4. Mishna Brurah 664:17 explains that the aravot should initially have 3 or 5 groups of leaves.</ref> | # The aravot should initially be nice in order to fulfill hiddur mitzvah. However, as long as they have a single leaf on them they are fit.<ref>Shulchan Aruch and Rama OC 664:4. Mishna Brurah 664:17 explains that the aravot should initially have 3 or 5 groups of leaves.</ref> | ||
# The custom is to tie the aravot together for the procedure of beating the aravot.<ref>Birkei Yosef 664:4, Mishna Brurah 664:17. Chayei Adam 153:3 adds that it is nice to tie them together with a piece of the lulav.</ref> | # The custom is to tie the aravot together for the procedure of beating the aravot.<ref>Birkei Yosef 664:4, Mishna Brurah 664:17. Chayei Adam 153:3 adds that it is nice to tie them together with a piece of the lulav.</ref> | ||
# If necessary, it is permissible to use the two [[aravot]] that were tied to your [[lulav]] once you have fulfilled that mitzva, for the beating and removed the [[aravot]] from the tie. <ref> Mishna Brurah 664:21 as well as Chazon Ovadia Succot pg. 442 say that although Shulchan Aruch 664:6 holds like the gemara [[sukkah]] 44b that you cannot be yotzei with the [[aravot]] with the [[lulav]], that's only talking about when the [[aravot]] are still tied to the [[lulav]]. In addition, this is not a problem of maalin bakodesh viein moridin (we go up in holiness and don't go down) because the Mordechai says that's only referring to items that are holy and not items that are just used for a mitzva. Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48, Beit Yosef Yoreh Deah 259 and Shach 259:11 hold like this. </ref> | # If necessary, it is permissible to use the two [[aravot]] that were tied to your [[lulav]] once you have fulfilled that mitzva, for the beating and removed the [[aravot]] from the tie. <ref> Mishna Brurah 664:21 as well as Chazon Ovadia Succot pg. 442 say that although Shulchan Aruch 664:6 holds like the gemara [[sukkah]] 44b that you cannot be yotzei with the [[aravot]] with the [[lulav]], that's only talking about when the [[aravot]] are still tied to the [[lulav]]. Nitai Gavriel 77:10 agrees. In addition, this is not a problem of maalin bakodesh viein moridin (we go up in holiness and don't go down) because the Mordechai says that's only referring to items that are holy and not items that are just used for a mitzva. Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48, Beit Yosef Yoreh Deah 259 and Shach 259:11 hold like this. </ref> | ||
# If necessary, one can pass his [[aravot]] that he used to beat on the ground to a friend to fulfill his obligation as well as long as most of the leaves are still on the branch. <ref> Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48 </ref> | # If necessary, one can pass his [[aravot]] that he used to beat on the ground to a friend to fulfill his obligation as well as long as most of the leaves are still on the branch. <ref> Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48 </ref> | ||
# The minimum length for an [[aravah]] branch for beating is 3 [[tefachim]], like it is for the [[aravah]] for the mitzva with [[lulav]]. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 664:4, Nitai Gavriel Sukkot 77:4, Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 443 </ref> | # The minimum length for an [[aravah]] branch for beating is 3 [[tefachim]], like it is for the [[aravah]] for the mitzva with [[lulav]]. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 664:4, Nitai Gavriel Sukkot 77:4, Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 443 </ref> | ||
