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==During the summer== | ==During the summer== | ||
# During the summer one should not add in the request for rain ([[Ten Tal UMatar LeBracha]]) and if one did then one must repeat [[ | # During the summer one should not add in the request for rain ([[Ten Tal UMatar LeBracha]]) and if one did then one must repeat [[Shmoneh Esrei]]. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 117:3 </ref> | ||
# Outside [[Israel]] one isn't supposed to begin requesting rain until December 4th but if one did add it between the 7th of Chesvan and December 4th one should repeat [[ | # Outside [[Israel]] one isn't supposed to begin requesting rain until December 4th but if one did add it between the 7th of Chesvan and December 4th one should repeat [[Shmoneh Esrei]] with a stipulation that it should be a voluntary [[prayer]]. <ref>Mishna Brurah 117:13 </ref> | ||
==If one made a mistake during the winter== | ==If one made a mistake during the winter== | ||
# If one forgot to say VeTen Tal UMatar in [[Barech]] Alenu, | # If one forgot to say VeTen Tal UMatar in [[Barech]] Alenu, | ||
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* If one remembered after Shoma [[Tefillah]] before Retzeh one may say VeTen Tal UMatar Libracha right there. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 114:5 </ref> | * If one remembered after Shoma [[Tefillah]] before Retzeh one may say VeTen Tal UMatar Libracha right there. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 114:5 </ref> | ||
* if one remembered after beginning Retzay prior to saying Yeheyu LeRatzon after Elokay Netsor one should return to Brach Alaynu. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 117:5, Mishna Brurah 117:18 </ref> | * if one remembered after beginning Retzay prior to saying Yeheyu LeRatzon after Elokay Netsor one should return to Brach Alaynu. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 117:5, Mishna Brurah 117:18 </ref> | ||
* if one finished Yeheyu LeRatzon one should repeat [[ | * if one finished Yeheyu LeRatzon one should repeat [[Shmoneh Esrei]]. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 117:5, Mishna Brurah 117:18 </ref> | ||
===Unsure if one forgot Ten Tal=== | ===Unsure if one forgot Ten Tal=== | ||
# If one is unsure whether one said VeTen Tal Umatar or not, if it's within 30 days, we assume one didn't say VeTen tal and so one has to repeat, however, after 30 days, one doesn't repeat. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 114:8 regarding Mashiv HaRuach. Mishna Brurah 114:37 writes that regarding VeTen Tal there's not 90 davenings in 30 days (because of [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]]), there's a dispute whether 30 days is sufficient and concludes that we hold leniently that after 30 days it's assumed that one says it correctly. Halacha Brurah 114:14 disagrees and says that if one is unsure whether or not he said it during this period that is after 30 days, but 90 [[prayers]] haven't been recited, he should repeat the shemoneh esrei but to avoid any concern, should stipulate that if he is obligated to repeat then he is repeating but if not it should be considered a voluntary [[prayer]]. </ref> | # If one is unsure whether one said VeTen Tal Umatar or not, if it's within 30 days, we assume one didn't say VeTen tal and so one has to repeat, however, after 30 days, one doesn't repeat. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 114:8 regarding Mashiv HaRuach. Mishna Brurah 114:37 writes that regarding VeTen Tal there's not 90 davenings in 30 days (because of [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]]), there's a dispute whether 30 days is sufficient and concludes that we hold leniently that after 30 days it's assumed that one says it correctly. Halacha Brurah 114:14 disagrees and says that if one is unsure whether or not he said it during this period that is after 30 days, but 90 [[prayers]] haven't been recited, he should repeat the shemoneh esrei but to avoid any concern, should stipulate that if he is obligated to repeat then he is repeating but if not it should be considered a voluntary [[prayer]]. </ref> | ||
# If one said the line "VeEt Kol Minei Tevuata Litova VeTen Tal UMatar Livbracha" 90 times one is assumed to have said VeTen Tal if one is unsure whether one said it or not. Some say that one should say continue "Al Peni HaAdama". Some say one should repeat the line 101 times, but after the fact 90 time is sufficient. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 114:9 regarding Mashiv HaRuach writes that if one says the line in [[davening]] 90 times one is assumed to say it correctly. Mishna Brurah 114:40 writes that one should say from VeEt Kol Minei but leaves out Al Peni HaAdama, while Piskei Teshuvot 114:15 quotes Shulchan Shlomo who says to say it. Mishna Brurah 114:41 quotes the Chatom Sofer who says that the line should be said 101 times but the Mishna brurah concludes the after the fact one wouldn't repeat [[ | # If one said the line "VeEt Kol Minei Tevuata Litova VeTen Tal UMatar Livbracha" 90 times one is assumed to have said VeTen Tal if one is unsure whether one said it or not. Some say that one should say continue "Al Peni HaAdama". Some say one should repeat the line 101 times, but after the fact 90 time is sufficient. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 114:9 regarding Mashiv HaRuach writes that if one says the line in [[davening]] 90 times one is assumed to say it correctly. Mishna Brurah 114:40 writes that one should say from VeEt Kol Minei but leaves out Al Peni HaAdama, while Piskei Teshuvot 114:15 quotes Shulchan Shlomo who says to say it. Mishna Brurah 114:41 quotes the Chatom Sofer who says that the line should be said 101 times but the Mishna brurah concludes the after the fact one wouldn't repeat [[Shmoneh Esrei]] against the simple ruling of Shulchan Aruch. </ref> | ||
# Some say it's not proper to say this line 90 times because it puts oneself into a dispute, however, if one regularly is unsure whether one say Veten tal or not, one should say this line 90 times. <ref>Even though the Beiur Halacha 114 D"h Im Bayom, quotes the Gra and Taz who disagree with Shulchan Aruch here and hold that one always needs 30 days, the Beiur Halacha concludes that almost all achronim hold like Shulchan Aruch. Nonetheless, [[Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach]] in Halichot Shlomo ([[Tefillah]] 8:26) writes that it's not proper to do this advise because it puts oneself into a dispute. For someone who commonly is unsure, the Piskei Teshuvot 114:15 quotes the Birchat HaBayit, who says that for someone who commonly is unsure who should follow this advise and has the Shulchan Aruch to rely on. </ref> | # Some say it's not proper to say this line 90 times because it puts oneself into a dispute, however, if one regularly is unsure whether one say Veten tal or not, one should say this line 90 times. <ref>Even though the Beiur Halacha 114 D"h Im Bayom, quotes the Gra and Taz who disagree with Shulchan Aruch here and hold that one always needs 30 days, the Beiur Halacha concludes that almost all achronim hold like Shulchan Aruch. Nonetheless, [[Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach]] in Halichot Shlomo ([[Tefillah]] 8:26) writes that it's not proper to do this advise because it puts oneself into a dispute. For someone who commonly is unsure, the Piskei Teshuvot 114:15 quotes the Birchat HaBayit, who says that for someone who commonly is unsure who should follow this advise and has the Shulchan Aruch to rely on. </ref> | ||
# If one is sure that one had in mind to say the addition or change to [[ | # If one is sure that one had in mind to say the addition or change to [[Shmoneh Esrei]] before starting [[Shmoneh Esrei]] and also during [[Shmoneh Esrei]], and then after one completed [[Shmoneh Esrei]] one is uncertain whether one said it, one shouldn't repeat [[Shmoneh Esrei]]. However, if one became uncertain during [[Shmoneh Esrei]], one should assume one didn't say it and return. <ref> Mishna Brurah 114:38, Piskei Teshuvot 114:14 </ref> | ||
# If one is sure that one had in mind to say the addition or change to [[ | # If one is sure that one had in mind to say the addition or change to [[Shmoneh Esrei]] before starting [[Shmoneh Esrei]] but isn't certain that one remembered during [[Shmoneh Esrei]], if after completing [[Shmoneh Esrei]] (or before) one becomes uncertain, one must repeat. However, if one only becomes uncertain a while after [[Shmoneh Esrei]] (after starting other [[prayers]]), one doesn't have to repeat. <ref> Mishna Brurah 114:38, Piskei Teshuvot 114:14 </ref> | ||
# However, if a person knows that he losses his thoughts in [[ | # However, if a person knows that he losses his thoughts in [[Shmoneh Esrei]] and could forget to say it even if one remembered a moment earlier, some authorities hold one should always return (in cases of doubt) unless one is nearly certain that one said it. <ref> Piskei Teshuvot 114:14 rules like the Veyaan Yosef 52, even though Sh"t Shevet HaLevi 8:163 argues that it regarding all people we use the rules of the achronim. </ref> | ||
==If one made a mistake during the summer== | ==If one made a mistake during the summer== | ||
# In the summer if one mistakenly said VeTen Tal UMatar Lebracha and one remembered before Shomeh [[Tefillah]] one should say it in Shomeh [[Tefillah]]. If one remembered after Shomeh [[Tefillah]] one should return to Birkat HaShanim and continue from there. If one remembered after Shomeh Tefilah before beginning Retzeh one may say VeTen Tal UMatar Lebracha right there and continue with Retzeh. If one finished [[ | # In the summer if one mistakenly said VeTen Tal UMatar Lebracha and one remembered before Shomeh [[Tefillah]] one should say it in Shomeh [[Tefillah]]. If one remembered after Shomeh [[Tefillah]] one should return to Birkat HaShanim and continue from there. If one remembered after Shomeh Tefilah before beginning Retzeh one may say VeTen Tal UMatar Lebracha right there and continue with Retzeh. If one finished [[Shmoneh Esrei]] then one must repeat [[Shmoneh Esrei]]. <ref>S”A 117:3, 5 </ref> | ||
==Someone visiting Israel== | ==Someone visiting Israel== | ||
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* Lastly, some write that an American in [[Israel]] should in general say it in Shomea [[Tefillah]]. This includes the Rav Pinchas Sheinburg (A Teshuva in back of Sefer Chovot Yair) in name of the Steipler (also brought in Sh”t Rivivot Efraim 6:433(3)) and [[Tefillah]] KeHilchata 12:48 in name of Rav Elyashiv (the Shigyot Mi Yavin asks on this). [Seemingly, this opinion only holds this when an American is there for less than a year.] | * Lastly, some write that an American in [[Israel]] should in general say it in Shomea [[Tefillah]]. This includes the Rav Pinchas Sheinburg (A Teshuva in back of Sefer Chovot Yair) in name of the Steipler (also brought in Sh”t Rivivot Efraim 6:433(3)) and [[Tefillah]] KeHilchata 12:48 in name of Rav Elyashiv (the Shigyot Mi Yavin asks on this). [Seemingly, this opinion only holds this when an American is there for less than a year.] | ||
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# If a visitor from outside [[Israel]] (who will be there from 7th of Cheshvan until Dec 4th) forgets to say Ten Tal in Birkat HaShanim between the 7th of Cheshvan and Dec 4th, one should repeat [[ | # If a visitor from outside [[Israel]] (who will be there from 7th of Cheshvan until Dec 4th) forgets to say Ten Tal in Birkat HaShanim between the 7th of Cheshvan and Dec 4th, one should repeat [[Shmoneh Esrei]]. <Ref> Sh”t Rivivot Efraim 6:45(2) quoting Yashiv Moshe in name of Rav Elyashiv writes that one should repeat [[Shmoneh Esrei]] under all circumstances. However, Rav Shlomo Zalman in Halichot Shlomo ([[Tefillah]] 8:21 in the note), sh”t Teshuvot Vehanhagot 2:55 (dini ben chul#1), [[Yom Tov]] Sheni Kehilchato 10:7 in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman, and Shigiyot Mi Yavin (13:40) rule that one should only repeat [[Shmoneh Esrei]] if one will be there from 7th of Cheshvan until Dec 4th. However, if one will not be there from Cheshvan 7 until Dec 4th, one doesn’t need to repeat [[Shmoneh Esrei]]. So writes all the above sources, and [[Yom Tov]] Sheni Kehilchato 10:7 quotes Rav Elyashiv who adds that it’s proper to repeat [[Shmoneh Esrei]] on condition that it’s a voluntary [[Tefillah]] if one isn’t obligated. </ref> | ||
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