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* On the other hand, some hold that in order to say Ten Tal UMatar in Birkat HaShanim one has to be in [[Israel]] for the season of rain from 7 Cheshvan until dec 4 when they start asking for rain in America, however, if one will not be there for that period of time one should only say it in Shomea [[Tefillah]]. These opinions include: Sh”t Bear Moshe (vol 7 pg 202 in name of his brother), Sh”t Teshuvot VeHanhagot 2:55, Halichot Shlomo ([[Tefillah]] 8:21), Ishei Yisrael 23:37, [[Yom Tov]] Sheni Kehilchato (10:7) quoting Rav Shlomo Zalman and Rav Elyashiv, and Shegiyot Mi Yavin 13:40 in name of Rav Elyashiv. | * On the other hand, some hold that in order to say Ten Tal UMatar in Birkat HaShanim one has to be in [[Israel]] for the season of rain from 7 Cheshvan until dec 4 when they start asking for rain in America, however, if one will not be there for that period of time one should only say it in Shomea [[Tefillah]]. These opinions include: Sh”t Bear Moshe (vol 7 pg 202 in name of his brother), Sh”t Teshuvot VeHanhagot 2:55, Halichot Shlomo ([[Tefillah]] 8:21), Ishei Yisrael 23:37, [[Yom Tov]] Sheni Kehilchato (10:7) quoting Rav Shlomo Zalman and Rav Elyashiv, and Shegiyot Mi Yavin 13:40 in name of Rav Elyashiv. | ||
* Thirdly, some hold that only if one will be in [[Israel]] from 7 Chevan until [[Pesach]] when we stop asking for rain, then one should say Ten Tal in Birkat HaShanim, otherwise one should say it in Shomea [[Tefillah]]. This is also the opinion of Sh”t Mishna Shlomo, Sh”t Vayeshev Moshe 1:102 (quoted by Piskei Teshuvot 177:3). | * Thirdly, some hold that only if one will be in [[Israel]] from 7 Chevan until [[Pesach]] when we stop asking for rain, then one should say Ten Tal in Birkat HaShanim, otherwise one should say it in Shomea [[Tefillah]]. This is also the opinion of Sh”t Mishna Shlomo, Sh”t Vayeshev Moshe 1:102 (quoted by Piskei Teshuvot 177:3). | ||
* Lastly, some write that an American in [[Israel]] should in general say it in Shomea [[Tefillah]]. This includes the Rav Pinchas Sheinburg (A | * Lastly, some write that an American in [[Israel]] should in general say it in Shomea [[Tefillah]]. This includes the Rav Pinchas Sheinburg (A Teshuva in back of Sefer Chovot Yair) in name of the Steipler (also brought in Sh”t Rivivot Efraim 6:433(3)) and [[Tefillah]] KeHilchata 12:48 in name of Rav Elyashiv (the Shigyot Mi Yavin asks on this). [Seemingly, this opinion only holds this when an American is there for less than a year.] | ||
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# If a visitor from outside [[Israel]] (who will be there from 7th of Cheshvan until Dec 4th) forgets to say Ten Tal in Birkat HaShanim between the 7th of Cheshvan and Dec 4th, one should repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]]. <Ref> Sh”t Rivivot Efraim 6:45(2) quoting Yashiv Moshe in name of Rav Elyashiv writes that one should repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]] under all circumstances. However, Rav Shlomo Zalman in Halichot Shlomo ([[Tefillah]] 8:21 in the note), sh”t Teshuvot Vehanhagot 2:55 (dini ben chul#1), [[Yom Tov]] Sheni Kehilchato 10:7 in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman, and Shigiyot Mi Yavin (13:40) rule that one should only repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]] if one will be there from 7th of Cheshvan until Dec 4th. However, if one will not be there from Cheshvan 7 until Dec 4th, one doesn’t need to repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]]. So writes all the above sources, and [[Yom Tov]] Sheni Kehilchato 10:7 quotes Rav Elyashiv who adds that it’s proper to repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]] on condition that it’s a voluntary [[Tefillah]] if one isn’t obligated. </ref> | # If a visitor from outside [[Israel]] (who will be there from 7th of Cheshvan until Dec 4th) forgets to say Ten Tal in Birkat HaShanim between the 7th of Cheshvan and Dec 4th, one should repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]]. <Ref> Sh”t Rivivot Efraim 6:45(2) quoting Yashiv Moshe in name of Rav Elyashiv writes that one should repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]] under all circumstances. However, Rav Shlomo Zalman in Halichot Shlomo ([[Tefillah]] 8:21 in the note), sh”t Teshuvot Vehanhagot 2:55 (dini ben chul#1), [[Yom Tov]] Sheni Kehilchato 10:7 in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman, and Shigiyot Mi Yavin (13:40) rule that one should only repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]] if one will be there from 7th of Cheshvan until Dec 4th. However, if one will not be there from Cheshvan 7 until Dec 4th, one doesn’t need to repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]]. So writes all the above sources, and [[Yom Tov]] Sheni Kehilchato 10:7 quotes Rav Elyashiv who adds that it’s proper to repeat [[Shemoneh Esrei]] on condition that it’s a voluntary [[Tefillah]] if one isn’t obligated. </ref> | ||
