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# It is forbidden to have one's young child do any violation of [[Shabbat]] such as turning on a light. <Ref>[http://www.ou.org/webcast_kosher Rabbi Hershel Schachter] (OU Kosher Webcast, min 18-19) rules that this is a biblical violation of [[Shabbat]]. </ref> | # It is forbidden to have one's young child do any violation of [[Shabbat]] such as turning on a light. <Ref>[http://www.ou.org/webcast_kosher Rabbi Hershel Schachter] (OU Kosher Webcast, min 18-19) rules that this is a biblical violation of [[Shabbat]]. </ref> | ||
# If a child turns on a light on his own and for his own benefit, there's room to be lenient to benefit from that violation of [[Shabbat]]. <Ref>[http://www.ou.org/webcast_kosher Rabbi Hershel Schachter] (OU Kosher Webcast, min 18-19) says that there's room to be lenient since the child is like mitasek and if he did it for himself then it's not forbidden from benefit like a non-Jew who did work for himself. </ref> | # If a child turns on a light on his own and for his own benefit, there's room to be lenient to benefit from that violation of [[Shabbat]]. <Ref>[http://www.ou.org/webcast_kosher Rabbi Hershel Schachter] (OU Kosher Webcast, min 18-19) says that there's room to be lenient since the child is like mitasek and if he did it for himself then it's not forbidden from benefit like a non-Jew who did work for himself. </ref> | ||
# A Sephardi can ask an Ashkenazi to ask a non-Jew to turn on a light or do another melacha in the case of a great need of a mitzvah for a lot of people since for Ashkenazim it is permitted.<ref>[https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=62354 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Shalach 5778 min 30)] permitted a Sephardi to ask an Ashkenazi to ask a non-Jew to do a melacha on Shabbat for a great need of a mitzvah for a lot of people because the Rama 276 is lenient and there's no issue of amirah leyisrael. His proof was 263:17. He added that one should explain it to the Ashkenazi so that he isn't offended.</ref> | # A Sephardi can ask an Ashkenazi to ask a non-Jew to turn on a light or do another melacha in the case of a great need of a mitzvah for a lot of people since for Ashkenazim it is permitted.<ref>[https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=62354 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Shalach 5778 min 30)] permitted a Sephardi to ask an Ashkenazi to ask a non-Jew to do a melacha on Shabbat for a great need of a mitzvah for a lot of people because the Rama 276 is lenient and there's no issue of amirah leyisrael. His proof was 263:17. He added that one should explain it to the Ashkenazi so that he isn't offended. This is the final opinion of Rav Ovadia Yosef on the topic, but originally he was more strict. For example, in Yalkut Yosef (Shabbat v. 3, 5753 edition, p. 216) he says it is forbidden for Sephardi to ask Ashkenazi to return to hotplate liquids that were cooked and still warm but aren't still yad soledet bo. But in the back pp. 462, he says that his father changed his mind (see Yabia Omer 9:49). Similarly, in Yalkut Yosef (Shabbat v. 1-4, 5773 edition p. 106, 276:14) permits a Sephardi to ask a Ashkenazi to ask a non-Jew to do a melacha for a tzorech mitzvah since Ashkenazim hold that's permitted and Sephardim don't. See further Yalkut Yosef (Shabbat v. 1-2, 5771 edition, pp. 216-220).</ref> | ||
===If They Did It on Their Own Initiative=== | ===If They Did It on Their Own Initiative=== | ||
If someone who holds something is permitted does | #If someone who holds something is permitted does that activity on his own initiative for someone who holds it is forbidden, some permit benefitting from it, while others forbid.<ref>Dor Hamelaktim v. 1 p. 535-6 quotes Yalkut Yosef v. 3 p. 219 and Torat Hamelachot (Ofeh n. 252 s.v. vheneh) as holding it is permitted if the person does it on his own initiative for the one who holds it is forbidden. However, Orchot Shabbat v. 3 p. 29 is strict. His teshuva siman 19 discusses it at length. See Igrot Moshe 4:119:5.</ref> | ||
===If One Accepted Shabbat Early=== | ===If One Accepted Shabbat Early=== | ||
