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(Latest time for Mincha. "Certainly, one should daven mincha before sunset." Many don't hold like this escpecially Chassidim. I know you mentioned that Chacham Ovadia holds that one may daven minch bein hashmashos lchatchila.....) |
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== Latest Time for Shacharit == | == Latest Time for Shacharit == | ||
#The latest time to say [[Shmoneh Esrei|''shemoneh esrei'']] of [[Shacharit|''shacharit'']] is the end of the fourth hour | #The latest time to say [[Shmoneh Esrei|''shemoneh esrei'']] of [[Shacharit|''shacharit'']] is the end of the fourth hour. <ref>The Mishna (Brachot 26a) writes that the latest time [[Shacharit]] could be said according to Rabbi Yehuda is the fourth hour and according to the Rabbis is the sixth hour. The Gemara (27a) writes that we hold like Rabbi Yehuda because there is a Mishna in Ediyot that supports Rabbi Yehuda. This is codified by the Rif 18a, Rosh 4:1, and Rambam ([[Tefillah]] 3:1). The halacha is brought in Tur and Shulchan Aruch 89:1 </ref> | ||
#If one has not ''davened'' until the end of the fourth hour, one should ''daven'' [[Shacharit|''shacharit'']] before the end of the sixth hour | #If one has not ''davened'' until the end of the fourth hour, one should ''daven'' [[Shacharit|''shacharit'']] before the end of the sixth hour - midday. If one intentionally did not ''daven'' in the first four hours one should still ''daven'' before midday but one should stipulate that if one is exempt that one is ''davening'' a voluntary [[prayer]]. <ref>*The Rif 18a originates that even though we hold like Rabbi Yehuda that the latest time for [[Shacharit]] is the fourth hour one could still pray after the fourth hour and receive the reward for praying (albeit having lost the reward for praying in the proper time). The Rosh 4:1, Rambam (Hilchot [[Tefillah]] 3:1), and Tur 89:1 hold like the Rif. | ||
*The Bet Yosef 89:1 writes that it seems as though the Rosh and Rif base their halacha on the general language of the gemara (Brachot 26a) “one could pray all day and receive reward for [[prayer]] but would lose the reward for [[prayer]] in its proper time.” Because this phrase was the gemara’s way of explaining the halacha of [[Tashlumin]], the Bet Yosef, rules that according to the Rif and Rosh one would not be able to pray after the fourth hour if a person intentionally did not pray in the first four hours. | *The Bet Yosef 89:1 writes that it seems as though the Rosh and Rif base their halacha on the general language of the gemara (Brachot 26a) “one could pray all day and receive reward for [[prayer]] but would lose the reward for [[prayer]] in its proper time.” Because this phrase was the gemara’s way of explaining the halacha of [[Tashlumin]], the Bet Yosef, rules that according to the Rif and Rosh one would not be able to pray after the fourth hour if a person intentionally did not pray in the first four hours. | ||
*However, the Rambam and Tur 89:1 hold that if a person intentionally prayed after the fourth hour he still receives reward for [[prayer]]. The Bet Yosef 89:1 explains that the Rambam tried to minimize the dispute between רבנן and Rabbi Yehuda so that there would not be an argument as to whether one totally fulfills the mitzvah or does not fulfill it at all in the period between the fourth and sixth hour. Rather they both agree that it is still time for [[Shacharit]] but according to Rabbi Yehuda one who prays at that time only receives reward for [[prayer]] but not that of [[prayer]] in its proper time while רבנן hold that one would also receive the reward of it being in its proper time. According to this explanation, one should be able to pray in this period even if one intentionally did not pray beforehand. | *However, the Rambam and Tur 89:1 hold that if a person intentionally prayed after the fourth hour he still receives reward for [[prayer]]. The Bet Yosef 89:1 explains that the Rambam tried to minimize the dispute between רבנן and Rabbi Yehuda so that there would not be an argument as to whether one totally fulfills the mitzvah or does not fulfill it at all in the period between the fourth and sixth hour. Rather they both agree that it is still time for [[Shacharit]] but according to Rabbi Yehuda one who prays at that time only receives reward for [[prayer]] but not that of [[prayer]] in its proper time while רבנן hold that one would also receive the reward of it being in its proper time. According to this explanation, one should be able to pray in this period even if one intentionally did not pray beforehand. | ||
*Additionally, if one holds like the Rif then one would be able to daven even between six and sixth and a half, while according to the Rambam one should only be able to pray as long as there is some opinion which considers it the time for [[Shacharit]]. The Bet Yosef adds that the Rashba agrees with the Rambam. (It seems that the Bet Yosef understands the Rashba to say that you certainly may not pray during the half hour after [[Chatzot]]. The Bach argues that the Rashba meant something else entirely, namely that one should pray the [[Tashlumin]] right after having prayed the obligatory [[Tefilla]].) | *Additionally, if one holds like the Rif then one would be able to daven even between six and sixth and a half, while according to the Rambam one should only be able to pray as long as there is some opinion which considers it the time for [[Shacharit]]. The Bet Yosef adds that the Rashba agrees with the Rambam. (It seems that the Bet Yosef understands the Rashba to say that you certainly may not pray during the half hour after [[Chatzot]]. The Bach argues that the Rashba meant something else entirely, namely that one should pray the [[Tashlumin]] right after having prayed the obligatory [[Tefilla]].) | ||
*The Mishna Brurah 89:6 writes that because of the dispute one should still pray after the fourth hour even if one intentionally missed praying earlier but nonetheless should stipulate that if one is exempt, one should be considered praying voluntarily. Yalkut Yosef 89:5 agrees.</ref> | *The Mishna Brurah 89:6 writes that because of the dispute one should still pray after the fourth hour even if one intentionally missed praying earlier but nonetheless should stipulate that if one is exempt, one should be considered praying voluntarily. Yalkut Yosef 89:5 agrees.</ref> | ||
#One may not | #One may not ''daven'' past the end of the sixth hour, but rather one should wait to say [[Tashlumin|''tashlumin'']] at [[Mincha|''mincha'']].<ref>Rama O.C. 89:1 (based on the explanation of the Bet Yosef of the Rambam and Tur, see the [[#cite_note-11|previous footnote]])</ref> | ||
==Times for Mincha== | ==Times for Mincha== | ||
