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#One may be lenient for this category if there’s an extenuating circumstance. <ref>Shalmei Yehuda (pg 19) in name of Rav Elyashiv and Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 2:32, Sh”t Az Nidbaru 8:67, Zachor VeShamor 41:4 </ref> | #One may be lenient for this category if there’s an extenuating circumstance. <ref>Shalmei Yehuda (pg 19) in name of Rav Elyashiv and Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 2:32, Sh”t Az Nidbaru 8:67, Zachor VeShamor 41:4 </ref> | ||
== Discussion in Rishonim == | ==Discussion in Rishonim== | ||
# Tosfot 36a - muktzeh unless there’s some real useful use | #Tosfot 36a - muktzeh unless there’s some real useful use | ||
## Tosfot 36a s.v. R’ Yehuda - there’s a small use of the chatzotzrot | ##Tosfot 36a s.v. R’ Yehuda - there’s a small use of the chatzotzrot | ||
## Mor UKesiah (on M"A 308:18) | ##Mor UKesiah (on M"A 308:18) | ||
# Tosfot 44b, 45a, Ramban 44a - not muktzeh as long as there’s some far fetched use | #Tosfot 44b, 45a, Ramban 44a - not muktzeh as long as there’s some far fetched use | ||
## Ramban 44a - mitah shyichda lmaot, kinah shetarnegol, ner yashan are all muter for R’ Shimon even though for R’ Yehuda they’re batel from a kli since they have no use (but there’s still an uncommon use). Ramban milchamot beitzah 18b - same idea. | ##Ramban 44a - mitah shyichda lmaot, kinah shetarnegol, ner yashan are all muter for R’ Shimon even though for R’ Yehuda they’re batel from a kli since they have no use (but there’s still an uncommon use). Ramban milchamot beitzah 18b - same idea. | ||
## Ramban 64b - tachshitin aren’t muktzeh since you can use them to cover kelim. | ##Ramban 64b - tachshitin aren’t muktzeh since you can use them to cover kelim. | ||
## Ramban 154b s.v. bkarnei- R’ Wiederblank - there’s no uncommon use so it isn’t a kli even for R’ Shimon. Ner you can use since you can use it to cover kelim. Ran 154b s.v. bkarnei is like Ramban. | ##Ramban 154b s.v. bkarnei- R’ Wiederblank - there’s no uncommon use so it isn’t a kli even for R’ Shimon. Ner you can use since you can use it to cover kelim. Ran 154b s.v. bkarnei is like Ramban. | ||
## Tosfot 44b s.v. umah - even though you have no use of ner yashan for R’ Shimon that isn’t asur | ##Tosfot 44b s.v. umah - even though you have no use of ner yashan for R’ Shimon that isn’t asur | ||
## Tosfot 46a s.v. dnefta - ner yashan can’t be used to cover kelim and still R’ Shimon it isn’t muktzeh | ##Tosfot 46a s.v. dnefta - ner yashan can’t be used to cover kelim and still R’ Shimon it isn’t muktzeh | ||
# Rashba 154b - not muktzeh even if there’s no far fetched use. | #Rashba 154b - not muktzeh even if there’s no far fetched use. | ||
## Rashba 154b s.v. vreyiti argues that a kli even if there’s no heter tzorech gufo at all. | ##Rashba 154b s.v. vreyiti argues that a kli even if there’s no heter tzorech gufo at all. | ||
## Rashba 36a chatzotzrot aren’t usable at all and still aren’t muktzeh according to R’ Shimon | ##Rashba 36a chatzotzrot aren’t usable at all and still aren’t muktzeh according to R’ Shimon | ||
## Rashba 44a mitah shyichda lmaot even though there’s no heter use isn’t muktzeh according to R’ Shimon. | ##Rashba 44a mitah shyichda lmaot even though there’s no heter use isn’t muktzeh according to R’ Shimon. | ||
== Discussion in Achronim == | |||
Are matches muktzeh? This depends on the dispute in the rishonim if something is a kli and has almost no permitted use on Shabbat if it is considered muktzeh. The Rashba 154b holds it isn’t muktzeh even if there’s no use at all. The Ramban 154b holds that it isn’t muktzeh even there’s an uncommon use such as using it to cover a pot. Tosfot 36a implies that it is muktzeh unless there is some use. | |||
Shemirat Shabbat Khilchata 20:16 is lenient on matches. Chazon Ovadia v. 3 p. 76 is lenient. Orchot Shabbat v. 2 p. 9 is strict unless it is an extenuating circumstance. He quotes Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach who was strict and Rav Moshe who was lenient. Shalmei Yehuda 3:11 quotes Rav Elyashiv as strict about matches since today we don’t use it to clean our ears or teeth. | |||
==Sources== | ==Sources== | ||
