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# If one makes a meal out of Pas HaBah BeKisnin one should wash, make the bracha of netilat yadim, HaMotzei, and after the meal to say Birkat HaMazon. <ref> S”A 168:6</ref> | # If one makes a meal out of Pas HaBah BeKisnin one should wash, make the bracha of netilat yadim, HaMotzei, and after the meal to say Birkat HaMazon. <ref> S”A 168:6</ref> | ||
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# If one made a Mezonot thinking that one was only going to have a few Kezayitim and then changed his mind to end up having 8 Kezayitim, if one plans on having another 8 Kezayitim one should stop and wash with a bracha and make HaMotzei. | # If one made a Mezonot thinking that one was only going to have a few Kezayitim and then changed his mind to end up having 8 Kezayitim, if one plans on having another 8 Kezayitim one should stop and wash with a bracha and make HaMotzei. | ||
# If one made Mezonot planning to have a few Kezyitim, and then changes to have another few Kezayitim and in total all he ate will add up to 8 Kezayitim one shouldn’t make any new bracha upon changing one’s mind, however, if one started thinking that one would not have more than a certain amount and now clearly changes his mind about that, one should make a new Mezonot. Nonetheless, one concludes with Birkat HaMazon. <ref> Mishan Brurah 168:25 writes that if one changed one’s mind one doesn’t make a new HaMotzei if one doesn’t plan on eating more than 8 Kezayitim. Mishna Brurah (Shaar Tzion 168:21) writes that one shouldn’t make a new Mezonot unless one clearly changed one’s mind such as if when he started he thought that he will not eat more than a certain amount, however, if one didn’t clearly retract his opinion then one doesn’t make a new Mezonot. </ref> | # If one made Mezonot planning to have a few Kezyitim, and then changes to have another few Kezayitim and in total all he ate will add up to 8 Kezayitim one shouldn’t make any new bracha upon changing one’s mind, however, if one started thinking that one would not have more than a certain amount and now clearly changes his mind about that, one should make a new Mezonot. Nonetheless, one concludes with Birkat HaMazon. <ref> Mishan Brurah 168:25 writes that if one changed one’s mind one doesn’t make a new HaMotzei if one doesn’t plan on eating more than 8 Kezayitim. Mishna Brurah (Shaar Tzion 168:21) writes that one shouldn’t make a new Mezonot unless one clearly changed one’s mind such as if when he started he thought that he will not eat more than a certain amount, however, if one didn’t clearly retract his opinion then one doesn’t make a new Mezonot. </ref> | ||
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Revision as of 05:17, 4 July 2010
Koveh Seudah on Pat HaBah BeKisnin
- If one makes a meal out of Pas HaBah BeKisnin one should wash, make the bracha of netilat yadim, HaMotzei, and after the meal to say Birkat HaMazon. [1]
- There is a dispute about how much one needs to have in order to be considered a Seudah, however one should be strict not to consider it a meal unless one ate 4 KeBaytzim, which according to the strict opinion is equivalent to 230 gram. [2]
- One should preferably have the 4 KeBaytzim in one time period of Kedi Achilat Pras, however, halacha only requires that one Kezayit out of that amount is eaten in a Kedi Achilat Pras. [3]
- According to Sephardim one only counts the actual Pat haBah BeKisnin , hwoever Ashkenazim include any other food that one ate at the meal. [4]
- There’s no difference between Shabbat and the rest of the week regarding the staus of the Pat habah BeKisnin. [5]
- If one started the meal thinking that one was going to have 8 Kezayitim and then changed his mind and couldn’t finish all 8 Kezayitim, one may finish eating based on his orginal HaMotzei and concludes with a Al HaMichya. [6]
- If one made a Mezonot thinking that one was only going to have a few Kezayitim and then changed his mind to end up having 8 Kezayitim, if one plans on having another 8 Kezayitim one should stop and wash with a bracha and make HaMotzei.
- If one made Mezonot planning to have a few Kezyitim, and then changes to have another few Kezayitim and in total all he ate will add up to 8 Kezayitim one shouldn’t make any new bracha upon changing one’s mind, however, if one started thinking that one would not have more than a certain amount and now clearly changes his mind about that, one should make a new Mezonot. Nonetheless, one concludes with Birkat HaMazon. [7]
References
- ↑ S”A 168:6
- ↑ There’s several layers of doubt on this issue but in order to remove oneself from all doubt one shouldn’t consider it a meal unless one has 8 keyatim. The first doubt is whether Koveh Seudah depends on the amount people normally eat at a regular meal or is it a set amount of a Seudah as by the laws of Eruv Chatzerot. The Bet Yosef in name of SHibolei HaLeket, Sefer Eshkol, Magan Avraham, Shagat Aryeh (quoted by Mishna Brurah Shaar Tzion 168:19), Chaye Adam in name of the Gra, and Shulchan Aruch HaGra write that the amount depends on the amount people normally eat at a regular meal. The amount needed for a Seduah by the laws of Eruv Chatzerot is also a dispute whether the amount is 3 or 4 KeBaytzim. The Mishna Brurah 168:24 writes that one should be strict for those who are strict to require 4 KeBaytzim (especially if there’s a safek whether it’s Pas HaBah BeKisnin, even though we are lenient to accept all definitions of Pas HaBah BeKisnin and make HaMotzei, still one should be sure to have 4 KeBaytzim) .
- ↑ S”A 168:6 writes that if one makes a meal out of Pat HaBah BeKisnin one makes HaMotzei and Birkat HaMazon. Mishna Brurah 168:25 adds that clearly one also makes Netilat Yadim. Kaf HaCHaim and Sh”t Korban Eshe write that one needs to have all of the 4 Kebayitzim in one Kedi Achilat Pras. However, Yalkut Yosef (Birkat HaMazon pg 130) writes that the strict halacha only requires that one have one Kezayit in a Kedi Achilat Pras.
- ↑ Kaf HaChaim 168:47 rules against the Magan Avraham and says that S”A implies that one must be the amount of a meal from the Pat itself.
- ↑ Kaf HaChaim 168:48.
- ↑ Sh”t Igrot Moshe O”C 2:54 This quoted by the Yalkut Yosef (Birkat HaMazon pg 137).
- ↑ Mishan Brurah 168:25 writes that if one changed one’s mind one doesn’t make a new HaMotzei if one doesn’t plan on eating more than 8 Kezayitim. Mishna Brurah (Shaar Tzion 168:21) writes that one shouldn’t make a new Mezonot unless one clearly changed one’s mind such as if when he started he thought that he will not eat more than a certain amount, however, if one didn’t clearly retract his opinion then one doesn’t make a new Mezonot.
