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* The Gemara Brachot 38a concludes that the Bracha for Tarima (processed dates) is HaEtz because the actual fruit remains. Rashi (D”H Tarima) explains that Tarima is dates which were crushed but not pulverized. However, Rambam (Brachot 8:4) explains that even if one removed the pits and crushed it and kneaded it into a dough the Bracha would still be HaEtz. The S”A 202:7 rules like the Rambam and the Rama rules like Rashi. | * The Gemara Brachot 38a concludes that the Bracha for Tarima (processed dates) is HaEtz because the actual fruit remains. Rashi (D”H Tarima) explains that Tarima is dates which were crushed but not pulverized. However, Rambam (Brachot 8:4) explains that even if one removed the pits and crushed it and kneaded it into a dough the Bracha would still be HaEtz. The S”A 202:7 rules like the Rambam and the Rama rules like Rashi. | ||
* The Mishna Brurah 208:42 concludes that whenever the fruit is recognizable (because of the form and texture) the Bracha would be like the fruit, however, when it’s so processed that it’s not recognizable the bracha is Shehakol. Vezot HaBracha (pg 100, chapter 12) and Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 403-4, chapter 22) agree. | * The Mishna Brurah 208:42 concludes that whenever the fruit is recognizable (because of the form and texture) the Bracha would be like the fruit, however, when it’s so processed that it’s not recognizable the bracha is Shehakol. Vezot HaBracha (pg 100, chapter 12) and Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 403-4, chapter 22) agree. | ||
* However, the Laws of Brachos (Rabbi Forst, pg 303) explains the Mishna Brurah as saying that even for an unrecognizable pulp one should make the bracha of the original fruit. Only something which completely lost it's solid form is shehakol. He therefore writes that apple sauce is HaEtz, and mashed potatoes and peanut butter are HaAdama. </ref> | * However, the Laws of Brachos (Rabbi Forst, pg 303-5) explains the Mishna Brurah as saying that even for an unrecognizable pulp one should make the bracha of the original fruit. Only something which completely lost it's solid form is shehakol. He therefore writes that apple sauce is HaEtz, and mashed potatoes and peanut butter are HaAdama. </ref> | ||
# However, if a certain fruit or vegetable is normally eaten crushed up the Bracha would be the same as a the fruit or vegetable. <ref> S”A 203:7 rules that spices which were mixed together with sugar the Bracha would be that of the spices. The Mishna Brurah 203:12 adds that this is true even if the spices were totally pulverized and not recognizable nonetheless it retains it’s Bracha because it’s normal to crush the spices in this way. Halachos of Brachos (Rabbi Bodner, chap 22, pg 402, note 30) limits this Mishna Brurah to where the majority of the time it is made in this way. </ref> | # However, if a certain fruit or vegetable is normally eaten crushed up the Bracha would be the same as a the fruit or vegetable. <ref> S”A 203:7 rules that spices which were mixed together with sugar the Bracha would be that of the spices. The Mishna Brurah 203:12 adds that this is true even if the spices were totally pulverized and not recognizable nonetheless it retains it’s Bracha because it’s normal to crush the spices in this way. Halachos of Brachos (Rabbi Bodner, chap 22, pg 402, note 30) limits this Mishna Brurah to where the majority of the time it is made in this way. </ref> | ||
# If fruit of the Shivat Haminim (grapes, figs, promegrante, olive, dates) was mashed to the point which it required a Bracha of Shehakol, | # If fruit of the Shivat Haminim (grapes, figs, promegrante, olive, dates) was mashed to the point which it required a Bracha of Shehakol, which Bracha Achrona to make is questionable. Therefore, one should eat a [[Kezayit]] of food which has a Bracha Achrona of Al HaEtz and a food which has a Bracha Achrona of Boreh Nefashot. However, if one doesn't have those foods, one may make an Al HaEtz.<ref>Mishna Brurah 202:42, Sh"t Igrot Moshe YD 2:25</ref> | ||
==Mashed potato== | ==Mashed potato== | ||
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==Peanut butter== | ==Peanut butter== | ||
# Peanut butter is Shehakol because it’s because crushed and | # Peanut butter is Shehakol because it’s because crushed and not recognizable as a peanut. <Ref>Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 410, chapter 22) in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman </ref>However, some say that the bracha is HaAdama.<ref>Laws of Brachos (Rabbi Forst, pg 303-5)</ref> | ||
==Jam and Jelly== | ==Jam and Jelly== | ||
Revision as of 19:58, 30 March 2012
General rule
- If one grinds a vegetable or fruit, whether or not one cooks it, if the vegetable is still recognizable in the product then the Bracha is the same the vegetable, however if it’s ground and unrecognizable then the Bracha is shehakol. [1]
- However, if a certain fruit or vegetable is normally eaten crushed up the Bracha would be the same as a the fruit or vegetable. [2]
- If fruit of the Shivat Haminim (grapes, figs, promegrante, olive, dates) was mashed to the point which it required a Bracha of Shehakol, which Bracha Achrona to make is questionable. Therefore, one should eat a Kezayit of food which has a Bracha Achrona of Al HaEtz and a food which has a Bracha Achrona of Boreh Nefashot. However, if one doesn't have those foods, one may make an Al HaEtz.[3]
Mashed potato
Peanut butter
- Peanut butter is Shehakol because it’s because crushed and not recognizable as a peanut. [4]However, some say that the bracha is HaAdama.[5]
Jam and Jelly
- The Bracha on a jam or jelly is the same as the actual fruit only if peices of the fruit are recognizable in it. Otherwise, the bracha is shehakol. [6]
- Strawberry or cherry jelly is Shehakol because it retains neither the form or look of the fruit. [7]
Guacamole
- The bracha for regular (thick) guacamole if eaten alone is HaEtz according to many opinions and Shehakol according to others. However, in the unusual case that the guacamole is very thin like a liquid the Bracha should be Shehakol. [8]
References
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- The Gemara Brachot 38a concludes that the Bracha for Tarima (processed dates) is HaEtz because the actual fruit remains. Rashi (D”H Tarima) explains that Tarima is dates which were crushed but not pulverized. However, Rambam (Brachot 8:4) explains that even if one removed the pits and crushed it and kneaded it into a dough the Bracha would still be HaEtz. The S”A 202:7 rules like the Rambam and the Rama rules like Rashi.
- The Mishna Brurah 208:42 concludes that whenever the fruit is recognizable (because of the form and texture) the Bracha would be like the fruit, however, when it’s so processed that it’s not recognizable the bracha is Shehakol. Vezot HaBracha (pg 100, chapter 12) and Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 403-4, chapter 22) agree.
- However, the Laws of Brachos (Rabbi Forst, pg 303-5) explains the Mishna Brurah as saying that even for an unrecognizable pulp one should make the bracha of the original fruit. Only something which completely lost it's solid form is shehakol. He therefore writes that apple sauce is HaEtz, and mashed potatoes and peanut butter are HaAdama.
- ↑ S”A 203:7 rules that spices which were mixed together with sugar the Bracha would be that of the spices. The Mishna Brurah 203:12 adds that this is true even if the spices were totally pulverized and not recognizable nonetheless it retains it’s Bracha because it’s normal to crush the spices in this way. Halachos of Brachos (Rabbi Bodner, chap 22, pg 402, note 30) limits this Mishna Brurah to where the majority of the time it is made in this way.
- ↑ Mishna Brurah 202:42, Sh"t Igrot Moshe YD 2:25
- ↑ Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 410, chapter 22) in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman
- ↑ Laws of Brachos (Rabbi Forst, pg 303-5)
- ↑ The book Laws of Brachot (by Rabbi Binyomin Forst) in the index writes that for apricot jam- there's a shehakol if there's no solid pieces in the jam, and HaEtz if there's solid pieces in it. However, by Etrog Jam he writes simply that it's HaEtz. The book VeZot HaBracha (by Rabbi Alexander Aryeh) writes that for Etrog as a jam the bracha is HaEtz only if it has pieces of fruit it in that are recognizable. It seems to me that the bracha on jam is always dependent on whether you recognize the pieces in it- there being no difference between Etrog and any other fruit. It's possible that the etrog jams are usually chunky and other fruits sometimes have chucks and sometimes not.
- ↑ Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 404, chapter 22) in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman and Rabbi Pinchas Sheinburg
- ↑ The Shaarei HaBracha (chap 23, pg 630) writes that if guacamole is blended and liquidy the Bracha is Shehakol, however, if it is still has pieces of avocado it is HaEtz. In the footnote (#470) he writes that even if it is liquidy theoretically it should be HaEtz (since avocado is usually blended, see Mishna Brurah 202:44) but concludes that he can not rule definitively that it should be HaEtz and remains with his above ruling to say Shehakol (because it is like a drink). Similarly, the Peni HaShulchan 202:7(1) (pg 83) writes that guacamole is HaEtz because the texture of the avocado is recognizable unless it is blended and is so thin like a liquid in which case it would be Shehakol. However, Piskei Teshuvot (Siman 202 note 87, pg 691) writes that guacamole is Shehakol since it is mixed in with other ingredients such as onions. In Siman 202:20 he writes that potato kugel or laktakas are Shehakol since eggs and other ingredients are mixed in.
