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# Even if one takes something from another for the purpose of benefiting his friend, it is prohibited.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 22. The Gemara Bava Metzia 61b brings the example of stealing so that you will be obligated to pay back double. Rashi there explains that your intention was to give him a gift but you know he wouldn't accept it, so you obligate yourself to it by stealing from him</ref> However, it would be permissible to take money from someone who is sick and has lost his mind, so that you can manage it appropriately on their behalf and provide for their needs.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 22-23 note 28, Pitchei Choshen Geneva 1: note 16 </ref> | # Even if one takes something from another for the purpose of benefiting his friend, it is prohibited.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 22. The Gemara Bava Metzia 61b brings the example of stealing so that you will be obligated to pay back double. Rashi there explains that your intention was to give him a gift but you know he wouldn't accept it, so you obligate yourself to it by stealing from him</ref> However, it would be permissible to take money from someone who is sick and has lost his mind, so that you can manage it appropriately on their behalf and provide for their needs.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 22-23 note 28, Pitchei Choshen Geneva 1: note 16 </ref> | ||
# One may not take something from another person in order to do them a favor and replace it with a better one.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 23, Shulchan Aruch CM 359:2 </ref>For example, if a kollel student has a beat-up hat and limited finances to replace it, one may not steal his hot to replace it with an expensive new one. Even though the intentions are noble, it is still considered stealing.<ref> Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 23. He writes there that a permissible way to accomplish this would be to buy the new hat and ask a friend to accept it on behalf of the kollel student, in a case where the giver knows with certainty that the kollel student would trade the old hat for a new one. </ref> | # One may not take something from another person in order to do them a favor and replace it with a better one.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 23, Shulchan Aruch CM 359:2 </ref>For example, if a kollel student has a beat-up hat and limited finances to replace it, one may not steal his hot to replace it with an expensive new one. Even though the intentions are noble, it is still considered stealing.<ref> Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 23. He writes there that a permissible way to accomplish this would be to buy the new hat and ask a friend to accept it on behalf of the kollel student, in a case where the giver knows with certainty that the kollel student would trade the old hat for a new one. </ref> | ||
# If one takes from his friend to teach him a lesson or help him correct a bad trait, that is considered stealing.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 23. see also [https://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/790102/rabbi-michael-taubes/parshas-mispatim-stealing-as-a-joke-or-to-teach-a-lesson/ Stealing as a joke or to teach a lesson] by Rabbi Michael Taubes </ref> For example, if you were trying to teach someone to keep their bike locked up because it could get stolen, and you would steal it for a day to emphasize your point, that is considered stealing even though your intention was for his own benefit.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 24, Pitchei Choshen Hilchot Geneava 1: note 17. see shiur by [https://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/773261/rabbi-aryeh-lebowitz/ten-minute-halacha-teachers-confiscating-students-possessions/ Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz], article by [https://torah.org/learning/business-halacha-5757-vol1no05/ Rabbi Aron Tendler], and article on [https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3177778/jewish/Is-My-Teacher-Responsible-for-My-Confiscated-Smartphone.htm Chabad.org] for extended discussions</ref> However, a rebbe or teacher is permitted to confiscate an item from a student to discipline the student or the class. Ideally the item should be returned at a later time, but if the teacher feels that the discipline will not be achieved without the item being destroyed, he may do so<ref> Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 24 </ref> | # If one takes from his friend to teach him a lesson or help him correct a bad trait, that is considered stealing.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 23. see also [https://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/790102/rabbi-michael-taubes/parshas-mispatim-stealing-as-a-joke-or-to-teach-a-lesson/ Stealing as a joke or to teach a lesson] by Rabbi Michael Taubes </ref> For example, if you were trying to teach someone to keep their bike locked up because it could get stolen, and you would steal it for a day to emphasize your point, that is considered stealing even though your intention was for his own benefit.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 24, Pitchei Choshen Hilchot Geneava 1: note 17. see shiur by [https://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/773261/rabbi-aryeh-lebowitz/ten-minute-halacha-teachers-confiscating-students-possessions/ Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz], article by [https://torah.org/learning/business-halacha-5757-vol1no05/ Rabbi Aron Tendler], and article on [https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3177778/jewish/Is-My-Teacher-Responsible-for-My-Confiscated-Smartphone.htm Chabad.org] for extended discussions</ref> However, a rebbe or teacher is permitted to confiscate an item from a student to discipline the student or the class. Ideally the item should be returned at a later time, but if the teacher feels that the discipline will not be achieved without the item being destroyed, he may do so.<ref> Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 24 quoting Rav Zalman Nechemya Goldberg </ref> | ||
===Stealing for an Emergency=== | ===Stealing for an Emergency=== | ||
