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# If one can see from the room in which started eating to the room one wants to move, even in the first place, it’s permissible to move. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 178:12, Vezot HaBracha (pg 58, chapter 6) </ref> Some say that one must see the area (within 4 amot) in the room where one ate, however, many hold even if one can only see a part of the room it’s considered as seeing the original place. <Ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 58, chapter 6) </ref>
# If one can see from the room in which started eating to the room one wants to move, even in the first place, it’s permissible to move. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 178:12, Vezot HaBracha (pg 58, chapter 6) </ref> Some say that one must see the area (within 4 amot) in the room where one ate, however, many hold even if one can only see a part of the room it’s considered as seeing the original place. <Ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 58, chapter 6) </ref>
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Shinui Makom

Which changes are considered a Shinui Makom?

Cases of Shinui Makom

  1. Leaving a house or going from one house to another is considered a Shinui Makom. Therefore, if one ate something in one house, one should make a new Bracha Rishona if one eats another time in the second house or even if one returned back to the first house. Even if one only left for a second it’s considered a Shinui. [1]
  2. Moving from one apartment with one owner to another apartment of another owner is considered a Shinui Makom even if they are both in one building. [2]
  3. Moving in an open area outdoors is considered a Shinui Makom if now it’s impossible to see the place from where one started, whether it’s because of distance or because of an interruption. [3]
  4. Moving from a car to an enclosed area outdoor or house or vise versa is considered a Shinui Makom. [4]
  5. Moving from a Sukkah to the house if the Sukkah is not connected to the house is a doubt and should be avoided, however, after the fact, it’s considered a Shinui Makom. [5]

Cases that are not Shinui Makom

  1. Moving from corner to corner in one room isn’t considered a Shinui Makom even if one can’t see from one corner to the other. [6]
  2. Moving in an open area outdoors is not considered a Shinui Makom if it’s still possible to see the place from where one started. [7]
  3. Moving in an enclosed area outdoors (like a fenced in area) is not considered a Shinui Makom even if one can’t see place from where one started. [8]

Cases that are in doubt and are preferable to avoid

  1. In the first place one may not switch from place to place from room to room under one roof (unless one had intention originally or can see from room to room), however, after the fact it is not considered a Shinui Makom. [9]
  2. Moving from an apartment to the stairwell of the building is a dispute and certainly in the first place one shouldn’t move from an apartment to a stairwell. After the fact, one shouldn’t consider it as a Shinui Makom that would require a new Bracha. [10]
  3. Moving from an apartment to the porch which is roofed is considered like moving from room to room and should be avoided but after the fact isn’t a Shinui Makom. However, going to a porch that’s unroofed is a dispute and one should certainly not change places to there, however, after the fact it isn’t considered a Shinui Makom. [11]
  4. Moving to a courtyard or backyard is considered a Shinui Makom unless the courtyard is used frequently just like a room in the house then it’s considered moving from room to room which shouldn’t be done initially but after the fact isn’t a Shinui Makom. [12]
  5. Moving from standing under one tree to standing under another tree is a dispute and should be avoided, however, after the fact, it’s not a Shinui Makom. [13]
  6. Moving from a car to an open area outdoor or vise versa is a doubt and should be avoided, however, after the fact, it’s not considered a Shinui Makom. [14]
  7. Moving from a Sukkah to the house if the Sukkah is connected to the house is a doubt and should be avoided, however, after the fact, it’s not considered a Shinui Makom. [15]

Particular circumstances that permit changing places

Seeing from one place to another

  1. If one can see from the room in which started eating to the room one wants to move, even in the first place, it’s permissible to move. [16] Some say that one must see the area (within 4 amot) in the room where one ate, however, many hold even if one can only see a part of the room it’s considered as seeing the original place. [17]

References

  1. ↑ Vezot HaBracha (pg 56, chapter 6)
  2. ↑ Vezot HaBracha (pg 56, chapter 6) in name of Rav Elyashiv, Rav Shlomo Zalman, and Rav Sheinburg
  3. ↑ Mishna Brurah 168:25, Vezot HaBracha (pg 57, chapter 6)
  4. ↑ Vezot HaBracha (pg 58, chapter 6)
  5. ↑ Vezot HaBracha (pg 58, chapter 6)
  6. ↑ S”A 178:1, Mishna Brurah 178:9,23 Vezot HaBracha (pg 56, chapter 6)
  7. ↑ Mishna Brurah 178:25, Vezot HaBracha (pg 57, chapter 6)
  8. ↑ Mishna Brurah 178:25, Vezot HaBracha (pg 57, chapter 6), see there what he quotes in name of Rav Elyashiv regarding an enclosure of an eruv of Shabbat.
  9. ↑ Buir Halacha 178:1 D”H Bayit, Vezot HaBracha (pg 56, chapter 6). [See the Buir Halacha who writes that those who commonly move from room to room have what to rely on.]
  10. ↑ Vezot HaBracha (pg 56, chapter 6) brings a dispute between Rav Elyashiv and Rav Shlomo Zalman and concludes that one shouldn’t move there while eating, however after the fact one shouldn’t make a new Bracha, yet it’s preferable to leave the building to require a new Bracha according to all opinions.
  11. ↑ Vezot HaBracha (pg 56-7chapter 6)
  12. ↑ Vezot HaBracha (pg 57, chapter 6)
  13. ↑ S”A 178:3, Vezot HaBracha (pg 57, chapter 6)
  14. ↑ Vezot HaBracha (pg 57, chapter 6)
  15. ↑ Vezot HaBracha (pg 58, chapter 6)
  16. ↑ Mishna Brurah 178:12, Vezot HaBracha (pg 58, chapter 6)
  17. ↑ Vezot HaBracha (pg 58, chapter 6)
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