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#One may eat meat at a meal held for a siyum and this includes the friends and family invited to the meal.<ref>Chazon Ovadyah (Arba Taaniyot pg 196-8). Although the Rama Orach Chaim 551:10 writes that one should minimize the amount of guests invited to this meal, Rav Moshe Feinstein and Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (cited in Nitei Gavriel 18:7), rule that if the one who completes the masechet eats in a communal dining room (such as a camp or hotel), all those who eat with him may participate. Rav Moshe Feinstein quoted in Moadei Yeshurun page 132 says that preferably one shouldn't hold a siyum of a masechet after the sixth of av. Aruch Hashulchan 551:28 says that since nowadays we do not properly celebrate the torah, preferably no siyums should be held during the [[nine days]]. </ref>
#One may eat meat at a meal held for a siyum and this includes the friends and family invited to the meal.<ref>Chazon Ovadyah (Arba Taaniyot pg 196-8). Although the Rama Orach Chaim 551:10 writes that one should minimize the amount of guests invited to this meal, Rav Moshe Feinstein and Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (cited in Nitei Gavriel 18:7), rule that if the one who completes the masechet eats in a communal dining room (such as a camp or hotel), all those who eat with him may participate. Rav Moshe Feinstein quoted in Moadei Yeshurun page 132 says that preferably one shouldn't hold a siyum of a masechet after the sixth of av.</ref>
#One may eat meat at a meal for a mitzvah such as the meal of a [[Brit Milah]] and this includes the relatives and friend invited to the meal however, it doesn’t include those who just walk in to eat.<ref>Chazon Ovadyah (Arba Taniyot pg 196-7). Rama Orach Chaim 551:10 allows eating meat for a seudat mitzva, and the Taz there explains that only someone would normally be invited to this seuda, may partake in this meat seuda during this time. If the bris is scheduled to be performed before the [[nine days]], even if it has already been postponed, Shaare Teshuva 551:10 says you cannot postpone any further to allow eating meat, and one who does this is considered someone who breaches fences.</ref>
# Some poskim hold that if one doesn't usually make a meat meal for a siyum of a masechet, he should not make a meat meal for a siyum during the nine days.<ref>Mishna Brurah 551:73 writes that if someone wouldn't usually make a meal for a siyum perhaps he shouldn't do so during the nine days. Rav Chaim Kanievsky (Siach Hasiyum p. 65) adds that someone who doesn't usually eat meat at a siyum may not do so during the nine days. Aruch Hashulchan 551:28 says that since nowadays we do not properly celebrate the torah, preferably no siyums should be held during the [[nine days]]. </ref>
#One may eat meat at a meal held for a siyum and this includes the friends and family invited to the meal.<ref>Chazon Ovadyah (Arba Taaniyot pg 196-8). Although the Rama Orach Chaim 551:10 writes that one should minimize the amount of guests invited to this meal, Rav Moshe Feinstein and Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (cited in Nitei Gavriel 18:7), rule that if the one who completes the masechet eats in a communal dining room (such as a camp or hotel), all those who eat with him may participate. Rav Moshe Feinstein quoted in Moadei Yeshurun page 132 says that preferably one shouldn't hold a siyum of a masechet after the sixth of av. Aruch Hashulchan 551:28 says that since nowadays we do not properly celebrate the Torah, preferably no siyums should be held during the [[nine days]]. </ref>
# A siyum can be made on a masechta of gemara,<ref>Shaal Bni 3:39:25 quotes Hagrim Stern who held that a siyum for the nine days can be on a masechta even if he skipped a few sections in the masechta which yeshiva bochrim usually skip. Rav Chiam Kanievsky (Siach Hasiyum p. 25) writes that a person can make a siyum if he learned a gemara even though he skipped the sections that are excluded from the gemara because of the sensors.
# A siyum can be made on a masechta of gemara, seder of mishna, or book of Tanach studied with the rishonim.<ref>Rav Eider in Halachos Of The Three Weeks p. 7</ref>
* Siach Hasiyum p. 27 quotes Rav Chaim Kanievsky that in order to make a siyum on tamid he needs to also learn the mishnayot besides the parts that have gemara on them. Also, he wasn't sure if you can make a siyum on tamid during the nine days in order to eat meat.</ref> seder of mishna, or book of Tanach studied with the rishonim.<ref>Rav Eider in Halachos Of The Three Weeks p. 7</ref>
#If a woman learns a Masechet well and makes a siyum, some poskim hold that men may eat at the Seudat Mitzvah that follows.<ref>She'erit Yosef vol. 2 page 56 by Rav Shlomo Wahrman. Rav Chaim Kanievsky (Siach Hasiyum p. 31) argues that there's no siyum for a woman who finished a masechet.</ref>
#Some say that from the 7th of Av they shouldn't serve meat at a siyum.<ref>Rav Moshe Feinstein (cited by Rav Eider in Halachos Of The Three Weeks p. 7) holds that after the 7<sup>th</sup> of Av they should not serve meat even at a siyum.</ref>
#Some say that from the 7th of Av they shouldn't serve meat at a siyum.<ref>Rav Moshe Feinstein (cited by Rav Eider in Halachos Of The Three Weeks p. 7) holds that after the 7<sup>th</sup> of Av they should not serve meat even at a siyum.</ref>
#One may eat meat a meal held for a [[Bar Mitzvah]] only if it’s held the day that the son becomes 13. <ref>Chazon Ovadyah (Arba Taniyot pg 200), Halichot Shlomo (Moadim vol 2 pg 415), Yad Yitzchak 3:230, Yad Efrayim 551:31, Divrei Yatziv 2:238. Even though this is not mentioned by the Rama Orach Chaim 551:10 as one of the meals you can eat meat for, Magen Avraham 225:4 says that a bar mitzva meal is a seudat mitzva, because just like siyum on a masechet is the celebration of the culmination of a mitzva, so too a bar mitzva is celebrating culminating the mitzva of [[chinuch]]. </ref>
# If a person missed hearing the siyum itself a rav, many poskim hold he may eat meat. A rav should be consulted.<ref>Rav Eider in Halachos Of The Three Weeks p. 8 writes that it seems to him to be permitted to eat from the meal even if he missed hearing the siyum but he concludes that a rav should be consulted. Rav Chaim Kanievsky (Siach Hasiyum p. 67) held that he can eat meat even though he missed the siyum. Or Hatzafun (v. 4 p. 37) quotes Rav Chanoch Padua allowed a friend who came late to a siyum and missed the siyum to join in the meal and have meat during the nine days. However, the Beltzer Rebbe disagreed.</ref>
# If a person missed hearing the siyum itself a rav should be consulted.<ref>Rav Eider in Halachos Of The Three Weeks p. 8 writes that it seems to him to be permitted to eat from the meal even if he missed hearing the siyum but he concludes that a rav should be consulted.</ref>
#Whether it is permissible to start the seudat mitzvah with meat before the siyum actually begins isn't simple and a rav should be consulted.<reF>Shaal Bni 2:39:26 quotes a Rabbi Cohen who held that it is permitted to eat meat before the siyum actually starts since the siyum is going to be during the meal. Rav Chaim Kanievsky (Siach Hasiyum p. 41) thought that perhaps it is permitted to start a siyum meal before the actual siyum, but he doesn't discuss a meat siyum meal during the nine days.</ref>
# Some say that one shouldn't delay a siyum in order to have it during the nine days, while others allow it.<ref>Mishna Brurah 551:73 quotes the Eliya Rabba as forbidden to hasten or slow down one's learning in order to schedule a siyum for the nine days. He adds that if one wouldn't make a siyum if it weren't the nine days then one shouldn't make a special siyum just because it is the nine days. Kaf Hachayim on Shulchan Arukh, Orach Chayim 551:161 quotes the Pitchei Olam 551:45 who brings a proof from Moed Katan 9a that it is permitted to save the last bit of learning in order to make a siyum later and the Kaf Hachayim applies it to the nine days. See Shem Aryeh. Kaf Hachayim also says that it is permitted to hasten one's learning in order to make a siyum as long as one doesn't sacrifice in understanding. [https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?a=155681 Rav Shmuel Fuerst (Three Weeks and Nine Days, min 30-31)] permitted delaying a siyum for the nine days.</ref>

Latest revision as of 19:37, 23 July 2023

  1. One may eat meat at a meal held for a siyum and this includes the friends and family invited to the meal.[1]
  2. Some poskim hold that if one doesn't usually make a meat meal for a siyum of a masechet, he should not make a meat meal for a siyum during the nine days.[2]
  3. A siyum can be made on a masechta of gemara,[3] seder of mishna, or book of Tanach studied with the rishonim.[4]
  4. If a woman learns a Masechet well and makes a siyum, some poskim hold that men may eat at the Seudat Mitzvah that follows.[5]
  5. Some say that from the 7th of Av they shouldn't serve meat at a siyum.[6]
  6. If a person missed hearing the siyum itself a rav, many poskim hold he may eat meat. A rav should be consulted.[7]
  7. Whether it is permissible to start the seudat mitzvah with meat before the siyum actually begins isn't simple and a rav should be consulted.[8]
  8. Some say that one shouldn't delay a siyum in order to have it during the nine days, while others allow it.[9]
  1. ↑ Chazon Ovadyah (Arba Taaniyot pg 196-8). Although the Rama Orach Chaim 551:10 writes that one should minimize the amount of guests invited to this meal, Rav Moshe Feinstein and Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (cited in Nitei Gavriel 18:7), rule that if the one who completes the masechet eats in a communal dining room (such as a camp or hotel), all those who eat with him may participate. Rav Moshe Feinstein quoted in Moadei Yeshurun page 132 says that preferably one shouldn't hold a siyum of a masechet after the sixth of av.
  2. ↑ Mishna Brurah 551:73 writes that if someone wouldn't usually make a meal for a siyum perhaps he shouldn't do so during the nine days. Rav Chaim Kanievsky (Siach Hasiyum p. 65) adds that someone who doesn't usually eat meat at a siyum may not do so during the nine days. Aruch Hashulchan 551:28 says that since nowadays we do not properly celebrate the torah, preferably no siyums should be held during the nine days.
  3. ↑ Shaal Bni 3:39:25 quotes Hagrim Stern who held that a siyum for the nine days can be on a masechta even if he skipped a few sections in the masechta which yeshiva bochrim usually skip. Rav Chiam Kanievsky (Siach Hasiyum p. 25) writes that a person can make a siyum if he learned a gemara even though he skipped the sections that are excluded from the gemara because of the sensors.
    • Siach Hasiyum p. 27 quotes Rav Chaim Kanievsky that in order to make a siyum on tamid he needs to also learn the mishnayot besides the parts that have gemara on them. Also, he wasn't sure if you can make a siyum on tamid during the nine days in order to eat meat.
  4. ↑ Rav Eider in Halachos Of The Three Weeks p. 7
  5. ↑ She'erit Yosef vol. 2 page 56 by Rav Shlomo Wahrman. Rav Chaim Kanievsky (Siach Hasiyum p. 31) argues that there's no siyum for a woman who finished a masechet.
  6. ↑ Rav Moshe Feinstein (cited by Rav Eider in Halachos Of The Three Weeks p. 7) holds that after the 7th of Av they should not serve meat even at a siyum.
  7. ↑ Rav Eider in Halachos Of The Three Weeks p. 8 writes that it seems to him to be permitted to eat from the meal even if he missed hearing the siyum but he concludes that a rav should be consulted. Rav Chaim Kanievsky (Siach Hasiyum p. 67) held that he can eat meat even though he missed the siyum. Or Hatzafun (v. 4 p. 37) quotes Rav Chanoch Padua allowed a friend who came late to a siyum and missed the siyum to join in the meal and have meat during the nine days. However, the Beltzer Rebbe disagreed.
  8. ↑ Shaal Bni 2:39:26 quotes a Rabbi Cohen who held that it is permitted to eat meat before the siyum actually starts since the siyum is going to be during the meal. Rav Chaim Kanievsky (Siach Hasiyum p. 41) thought that perhaps it is permitted to start a siyum meal before the actual siyum, but he doesn't discuss a meat siyum meal during the nine days.
  9. ↑ Mishna Brurah 551:73 quotes the Eliya Rabba as forbidden to hasten or slow down one's learning in order to schedule a siyum for the nine days. He adds that if one wouldn't make a siyum if it weren't the nine days then one shouldn't make a special siyum just because it is the nine days. Kaf Hachayim on Shulchan Arukh, Orach Chayim 551:161 quotes the Pitchei Olam 551:45 who brings a proof from Moed Katan 9a that it is permitted to save the last bit of learning in order to make a siyum later and the Kaf Hachayim applies it to the nine days. See Shem Aryeh. Kaf Hachayim also says that it is permitted to hasten one's learning in order to make a siyum as long as one doesn't sacrifice in understanding. Rav Shmuel Fuerst (Three Weeks and Nine Days, min 30-31) permitted delaying a siyum for the nine days.
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