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...which I think this is beautiful. :) I am assuming that the "amendment" refers to amending the Mitzvah of Havdalah (if I have misunderstood, please correct me). In particular I am interested does anyone know what was the practice before the amendment? Could Havdalah be made over a meal? [[User:MishnaQaraite|MishnaQaraite]] ([[User talk:MishnaQaraite|talk]]) 14:06, 14 January 2016 (EST) | ...which I think this is beautiful. :) I am assuming that the "amendment" refers to amending the Mitzvah of Havdalah (if I have misunderstood, please correct me). In particular I am interested does anyone know what was the practice before the amendment? Could Havdalah be made over a meal? [[User:MishnaQaraite|MishnaQaraite]] ([[User talk:MishnaQaraite|talk]]) 14:06, 14 January 2016 (EST) | ||
: The mitzvah of havdalah previously was originally to be made over a cup of wine and later made to be only an insertion into shemona esrei and then it was enacted that it should be both. Havdalah may not be may over a meal (Shulchan Aruch 296:2).--[[User:YitzchakSultan|YitzchakSultan]] ([[User talk:YitzchakSultan|talk]]) 21:11, 16 January 2016 (EST) | : The mitzvah of havdalah previously was originally to be made over a cup of wine and later made to be only an insertion into shemona esrei and then it was enacted that it should be both. Havdalah may not be may over a meal (Shulchan Aruch 296:2).--[[User:YitzchakSultan|YitzchakSultan]] ([[User talk:YitzchakSultan|talk]]) 21:11, 16 January 2016 (EST) | ||
::Thank you for the kind reply [[User:YitzchakSultan]]. Is it not the case that an After-blessing must be recited once the wine has been taken? And is it not also the case that the after-blessing for the wine may be incorporated into the after-blessing for Melaveh Malka? [[User:MishnaQaraite|MishnaQaraite]] ([[User talk:MishnaQaraite|talk]]) 03:51, 18 January 2016 (EST) | |||
::Is this information here [https://books.google.co.il/books?id=lIyGmAZUXxgC&pg=PA299&lpg=PA299&dq=havdalah+%22after-blessing%22&source=bl&ots=98yVHQhaGS&sig=yJ7D8G48ZDydXxuZYpBSSn1PFXc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjOipjRhLLKAhWH7BQKHfJTCKsQ6AEIIzAC#v=onepage&q=havdalah%20%22after-blessing%22&f=false] Orthodox? [[User:MishnaQaraite|MishnaQaraite]] ([[User talk:MishnaQaraite|talk]]) 03:54, 18 January 2016 (EST) | |||
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Thank you for this, I read the following on this website [1]:
- "B) Our Sages amended this so that we should say "Ata Honantanu" in the prayer, and make Havdalah on a cup of wine. Havdalah includes four benedictions, and their acronym is Yavneh - yayin (wine), besamim (the sweet aroma of scent), ner (a candle), Havdalah. The order is ascending. First the mouth enjoys the wine, then the nose enjoys the scent, then the eyes see the fire, and finally the brain comprehends the difference between holy and profane. Our Sages said (Shvuot 18b) He who makes Havdalah on wine on Mossaei Shabbat has sons who are capable of ruling on Halachic matters, as it says "To separate between holy and profane" and after that: "to teach the people of Israel" see there. Certainly if he himself is a Talmid Hacham, by saying Havdalah on Mossaei Shabbat he will merit that he will be able to conclude his learning according to Halachah and teach the Jewish people what they should do. Therefore, everyone should be careful to make Havdalah the way it should be made on Mossaei Shabbat, and this includes saying "Ata Honantanu" during the Arvit (evening) prayer of Mossaei Shabbat."
...which I think this is beautiful. :) I am assuming that the "amendment" refers to amending the Mitzvah of Havdalah (if I have misunderstood, please correct me). In particular I am interested does anyone know what was the practice before the amendment? Could Havdalah be made over a meal? MishnaQaraite (talk) 14:06, 14 January 2016 (EST)
- The mitzvah of havdalah previously was originally to be made over a cup of wine and later made to be only an insertion into shemona esrei and then it was enacted that it should be both. Havdalah may not be may over a meal (Shulchan Aruch 296:2).--YitzchakSultan (talk) 21:11, 16 January 2016 (EST)
- Thank you for the kind reply User:YitzchakSultan. Is it not the case that an After-blessing must be recited once the wine has been taken? And is it not also the case that the after-blessing for the wine may be incorporated into the after-blessing for Melaveh Malka? MishnaQaraite (talk) 03:51, 18 January 2016 (EST)
- Is this information here [2] Orthodox? MishnaQaraite (talk) 03:54, 18 January 2016 (EST)
