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=== Combining the Purim Seuda and Shabbat Meal (Pores Mapa Umekadesh) === | === Combining the Purim Seuda and Shabbat Meal (Pores Mapa Umekadesh) === | ||
# Although some | # Although some have the practice to start the meal before Shabbat and go until nightfall, break, cover the food, recite Kiddush, and continue the meal,<ref>Magen Avot (R' Lebhar, v. 1 p. 431) writes that the Moroccan minhag was to start the meal before Shabbat and at nightfall cover the food, recite Kiddush, and continue the meal. He cites this from the Shalu Lbaruch 76, Kriyat Chana Dovid 2:90, Vayan 29, and Netivi Am. [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=46446&pgnum=399 Nitai Gavriel 72:5] quotes this minhag as well.</ref> most poskim disapprove of this practice.<ref>As mentioned above the poskim including Rama, Mishna Brurah, and Kaf Hachaim all write that the seuda should be in the morning when it falls out on Friday. Rav Shlomo Zalman (Halichot Shlomo 19:26) writes that it is proper to have the seudat purim before chatzot and not do pores mapa. Similarly, [http://www.torahweb.org/torah/docs/rsch/RavSchachter-Corona-56-January-31-2021.pdf Rav Schachter (Corona teshuva 56)] disapproved of this practice as it is only allowed after the fact. Rav Dovid Yosef (Torat Hamoadim p. 346) writes that that it is not proper to follow a minhag of Yerushalayim to start the meal before sunset and continue after Shabbat starts with Kiddush. The meal should be done in the morning and such was the practice of his father, Rav Ovadia Yosef. Tiferet 695:17 cites this Torat Hamoadim. [https://torahanytime.com/lectures/355926 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Titsaveh 5785 min 15)] said that initially a person should not do the purim seuda late in the day and pores mapa because of all of the machlokot rishonim. </ref> | ||
# If a person delayed having the Purim seuda until close to Shabbat, after plag hamincha, according to some poskim he should accept Shabbat early and combine his Purim seuda with his Shabbat seuda.<ref>Rav Elyashiv (Halichot Vehanhagot Purim cited by Dirshu 695:22)</ref> Other poskim disagree.<ref>Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (Halichot Shlomo ch. 19 fnt. 81) writes that it isn't proper to accept Shabbat early and have the seudat purim since doing so isn't clear that he's making any meal for the honor of Purim.</ref> | # If a person delayed having the Purim seuda until close to Shabbat, after plag hamincha, according to some poskim he should accept Shabbat early and combine his Purim seuda with his Shabbat seuda.<ref>Rav Elyashiv (Halichot Vehanhagot Purim cited by Dirshu 695:22)</ref> Other poskim disagree.<ref>Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (Halichot Shlomo ch. 19 fnt. 81) writes that it isn't proper to accept Shabbat early and have the seudat purim since doing so isn't clear that he's making any meal for the honor of Purim.</ref> | ||
# Those who have the Purim seuda close to Shabbat and then make kiddush in the middle of the meal should not make a bracha of hagefen<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 271:4, Taz 271:4, Mishna Brurah 271:16, Kaf Hachaim 271:29</ref> or hamotzei when they start the Shabbat meal.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 271:4, Mishna Brurah 271:18. While it is true that Maamar Mordechai 271:4 writes that a person should recite hamotzei, Kaf Hachaim 27129 disagrees because of safek brachot lehakel. Chazon Ovadia v. 2 p. 70 agrees that no bracha should be recited.</ref> | # Those who have the Purim seuda close to Shabbat and then make kiddush in the middle of the meal should not make a bracha of hagefen<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 271:4, Taz 271:4, Mishna Brurah 271:16, Kaf Hachaim 271:29</ref> or hamotzei when they start the Shabbat meal.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 271:4, Mishna Brurah 271:18. While it is true that Maamar Mordechai 271:4 writes that a person should recite hamotzei, Kaf Hachaim 27129 disagrees because of safek brachot lehakel. Chazon Ovadia v. 2 p. 70 agrees that no bracha should be recited.</ref> | ||
# Since no hamotzei is recited there is a dispute if lechem mishna is necessary in such a case.<ref>Dor Hamelaktim (v. 1 p. 619) quotes Elef Lecha Shlomo 113 who holds that it isn't necessary to have lechem mishna since we're not reciting hamotzei. However, Aruch Hashulchan 271:13 holds it is necessary. Lechem Ish 8:51 quotes a dispute about this point. | |||
</ref> According to the poskim that there is an obligation of lechem mishna, there is a question if the lechem mishna that the head of the house breaks exempts the others of the household in their obligation of lechem mishna.<ref>Dor Hamelaktim (v. 1 p. 619) also discusses if the lechem mishna of the head of the household can be used to exempt everyone else's oblgiation of lechem mishna since no hamotzei is recited. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (Shulchan Shlomo 271:11) holds that when the head of the household breaks the lechem mishna that exempts everyone from their obligation of lechem mishna. However, Even Yisrael Moadim v. 2 p. 449 holds that it doesn't work since he isn't reciting hamotzei. To solve this issue everyone would need their own lechem mishna.</ref> | |||
# The meal must be paused for Kiddush before sunset. After sunset it is forbidden to eat or drink until kiddush is recited.<ref>Mishna Brurah 271:11, Kaf Hachaim 271:21, Piskei Teshuvot 271:14</ref> | # The meal must be paused for Kiddush before sunset. After sunset it is forbidden to eat or drink until kiddush is recited.<ref>Mishna Brurah 271:11, Kaf Hachaim 271:21, Piskei Teshuvot 271:14</ref> | ||
# When reciting kiddush a person should cover the challah.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 271:4, Mishna Brurah 271:15</ref> | # When reciting kiddush a person should cover the challah.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 271:4, Mishna Brurah 271:15</ref> | ||
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* The [http://www.halachipedia.com/documents/Roshei_Yeshiva_Letter_Regarding_Purim.pdf Roshei Yeshiva of Yeshiva University signed a letter (dated Feb 26 2015)] stating that one should fulfill the mitzvah of drinking according to the Rama. They emphasize that it is incumbent upon the community to ensure that that individuals avoid the risks of intoxication and Chilul Hashem which could result from it.</ref> | * The [http://www.halachipedia.com/documents/Roshei_Yeshiva_Letter_Regarding_Purim.pdf Roshei Yeshiva of Yeshiva University signed a letter (dated Feb 26 2015)] stating that one should fulfill the mitzvah of drinking according to the Rama. They emphasize that it is incumbent upon the community to ensure that that individuals avoid the risks of intoxication and Chilul Hashem which could result from it.</ref> | ||
# If one’s parent tells one not to drink on [[purim]] one should listen to them and only drink a little more than usual. <Ref> Halichot Shlomo 19:25 </ref> | # If one’s parent tells one not to drink on [[purim]] one should listen to them and only drink a little more than usual. <Ref> Halichot Shlomo 19:25 </ref> | ||
# Women are not required to drink as much. One cup or less is sufficient. <ref> Sh"t Rivevot Ephraim 1:458, Moadim Uzmanim 2:190 </ref> | # Women are not required to drink as much. One cup or less is sufficient. <ref> Sh"t [https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1081&st=&pgnum=371&hilite= Rivevot Ephraim 1:458], [https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=19963&st=&pgnum=390 Moadim Uzmanim 2:190 s.v. venireh barur] </ref> | ||
# If one unintentionally causes minor damages as a result of celebrating [[purim]], one is exempt from paying for the damages. <ref> M.B 6595: 5 </ref> | # If one unintentionally causes minor damages as a result of celebrating [[purim]], one is exempt from paying for the damages. <ref> M.B 6595: 5 </ref> | ||
