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* The Rishonim deal with the question of why liquids which vegetables were cooked in are HaAdama while fruit juice is Shehakol (Brachot 38b, S"A 202:8). (1) The Rabbenu Yonah (Brachot 27b D”H VeMaya) answers that squeezing fruit makes the fruit worse while cooking improves the vegetable. (2) The Rosh (Brachot 6:18) differentiates that fruit juices don’t taste like the fruit itself but the liquid of a cooked vegetable tastes like the vegetable itself and so it’s HaAdama. (3) The Rashba (Brachot 38a) writes that vegetables were mostly used for cooking (and so the bracha is HaAdama), however, the majority of fruit isn't planted in order to be squeezed and so the bracha is Shehakol. The Tur 205:2 and Shulchan Aruch 205:2 both use the same differentiation of the Rosh. | * The Rishonim deal with the question of why liquids which vegetables were cooked in are HaAdama while fruit juice is Shehakol (Brachot 38b, S"A 202:8). (1) The Rabbenu Yonah (Brachot 27b D”H VeMaya) answers that squeezing fruit makes the fruit worse while cooking improves the vegetable. (2) The Rosh (Brachot 6:18) differentiates that fruit juices don’t taste like the fruit itself but the liquid of a cooked vegetable tastes like the vegetable itself and so it’s HaAdama. (3) The Rashba (Brachot 38a) writes that vegetables were mostly used for cooking (and so the bracha is HaAdama), however, the majority of fruit isn't planted in order to be squeezed and so the bracha is Shehakol. The Tur 205:2 and Shulchan Aruch 205:2 both use the same differentiation of the Rosh. | ||
* The Rishonim also put different limitations on when this halacha applies. (1) The Sh"t HaRosh 4:15 says that the water is only the same Bracha as the vegetable when one’s primary intent is to cook and eat the vegetables. (2) The Rambam (Brachot 8:4) holds that it must be that vegetables are usually cooked and one is cooking the vegetables in order to drink the liquid. | * The Rishonim also put different limitations on when this halacha applies. (1) The Sh"t HaRosh 4:15 says that the water is only the same Bracha as the vegetable when one’s primary intent is to cook and eat the vegetables. (2) The Rambam (Brachot 8:4) holds that it must be that vegetables are usually cooked and one is cooking the vegetables in order to drink the liquid. | ||
* Bottom line: Halachos of Brachos (Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 23, pg 434, note 16) writes that based on the above opinions there are several conditions to fulfill in order that the bracha be HaAdama: 1)It must be common to cook that vegetable, 2)One's intent is to cook the vegetables to eat them (and not just the water), 3)The water must have absorbed the flavor of the vegetable. The Laws of Brachos (chap 11, pg 329) in general agrees that if the soup is cooked in order to eat the vegetables and soups the Bracha is HaAdama. </ref> | * Bottom line: Halachos of Brachos (Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 23, pg 434, note 16) writes that based on the above opinions there are several conditions to fulfill in order that the bracha be HaAdama: 1)It must be common to cook that vegetable, 2)One's intent is to cook the vegetables to eat them (and not just the water), 3)The water must have absorbed the flavor of the vegetable. The Laws of Brachos (chap 11, pg 329) in general agrees that if the soup is cooked in order to eat the vegetables and soups the Bracha is HaAdama. </ref> However, Sephardim and some Ashkenazim hold that vegetable soup is Shehakol unless one also eats the vegetables. <ref> | ||
However, Sephardim and some Ashkenazim hold that vegetable soup is Shehakol unless one also eats the vegetables. <ref> | |||
* VeZot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 119) rules that the vegetable soup which doesn't have vegetables in it are Shehakol because it doens't have a strong flavor like the soups which Chazal spoke about. | * VeZot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 119) rules that the vegetable soup which doesn't have vegetables in it are Shehakol because it doens't have a strong flavor like the soups which Chazal spoke about. | ||
* Kaf HaChaim 205:11 because of the opinion of the Raah says that one should always make Shehakol unless one eats the vegetable and the liquid is secondary. Or Letzion 14:31 agrees. Similarly, Chazon Ovadyah (Brachot pg 164) holds that it's preferable to be concerned for the opinion of the Raah and make Shehakol on vegetables soup, however, if one made HaAdama on the actual vegetable it covers the liquid as well. [The Laws of Brachos (chap 11, pg 329-330) writes that if one eats the liquid without the vegetables or a minor amount of vegetables the liquid is primary, however, if one also eats the vegetables in the soup the Bracha is HaAdama on the vegetables and that also covers the liquid as well.] </ref> | * Kaf HaChaim 205:11 because of the opinion of the Raah says that one should always make Shehakol unless one eats the vegetable and the liquid is secondary. Or Letzion 14:31 agrees. Similarly, Chazon Ovadyah (Brachot pg 164) holds that it's preferable to be concerned for the opinion of the Raah and make Shehakol on vegetables soup, however, if one made HaAdama on the actual vegetable it covers the liquid as well. [The Laws of Brachos (chap 11, pg 329-330) writes that if one eats the liquid without the vegetables or a minor amount of vegetables the liquid is primary, however, if one also eats the vegetables in the soup the Bracha is HaAdama on the vegetables and that also covers the liquid as well.] </ref> | ||
Revision as of 16:06, 14 August 2011
Vegetable soups
- Many Ashkenazic poskim hold that whether one is eating the vegetables in the soup or just the liquid the bracha is the same as the actual vegetable which in most cases is HaAdama. (For background on topic see footnote.) [1] However, Sephardim and some Ashkenazim hold that vegetable soup is Shehakol unless one also eats the vegetables. [2]
References
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- In Gemara Brachot (39a) Rav Papa says that water of cooked vegetables is HaAdama just like the Bracha of the cooked vegetables itself.
- The Rishonim deal with the question of why liquids which vegetables were cooked in are HaAdama while fruit juice is Shehakol (Brachot 38b, S"A 202:8). (1) The Rabbenu Yonah (Brachot 27b D”H VeMaya) answers that squeezing fruit makes the fruit worse while cooking improves the vegetable. (2) The Rosh (Brachot 6:18) differentiates that fruit juices don’t taste like the fruit itself but the liquid of a cooked vegetable tastes like the vegetable itself and so it’s HaAdama. (3) The Rashba (Brachot 38a) writes that vegetables were mostly used for cooking (and so the bracha is HaAdama), however, the majority of fruit isn't planted in order to be squeezed and so the bracha is Shehakol. The Tur 205:2 and Shulchan Aruch 205:2 both use the same differentiation of the Rosh.
- The Rishonim also put different limitations on when this halacha applies. (1) The Sh"t HaRosh 4:15 says that the water is only the same Bracha as the vegetable when one’s primary intent is to cook and eat the vegetables. (2) The Rambam (Brachot 8:4) holds that it must be that vegetables are usually cooked and one is cooking the vegetables in order to drink the liquid.
- Bottom line: Halachos of Brachos (Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 23, pg 434, note 16) writes that based on the above opinions there are several conditions to fulfill in order that the bracha be HaAdama: 1)It must be common to cook that vegetable, 2)One's intent is to cook the vegetables to eat them (and not just the water), 3)The water must have absorbed the flavor of the vegetable. The Laws of Brachos (chap 11, pg 329) in general agrees that if the soup is cooked in order to eat the vegetables and soups the Bracha is HaAdama.
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- VeZot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 119) rules that the vegetable soup which doesn't have vegetables in it are Shehakol because it doens't have a strong flavor like the soups which Chazal spoke about.
- Kaf HaChaim 205:11 because of the opinion of the Raah says that one should always make Shehakol unless one eats the vegetable and the liquid is secondary. Or Letzion 14:31 agrees. Similarly, Chazon Ovadyah (Brachot pg 164) holds that it's preferable to be concerned for the opinion of the Raah and make Shehakol on vegetables soup, however, if one made HaAdama on the actual vegetable it covers the liquid as well. [The Laws of Brachos (chap 11, pg 329-330) writes that if one eats the liquid without the vegetables or a minor amount of vegetables the liquid is primary, however, if one also eats the vegetables in the soup the Bracha is HaAdama on the vegetables and that also covers the liquid as well.]
