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# The veset hachodesh goes by the lunar calendar. The solar calendar is irrelevant.<ref> Shoshanat Ha'amakim 7:4 </ref> | # The veset hachodesh goes by the lunar calendar. The solar calendar is irrelevant.<ref> Shoshanat Ha'amakim 7:4 </ref> | ||
'''Non-Established Veset for the 29th of the Month''' | '''Non-Established Veset for the 29th of the Month''' | ||
# If a woman saw on the 29th day of the month she is only concerned for the 29th day of the next month, independent of whether the months are complete or incomplete. | # If a woman saw on the 29th day of the month she is only concerned for the 29th day of the next month, independent of whether the months are complete or incomplete.<ref>Aruch Hashulchan 189:12 implies this as he writes that there's no concern from the 29th of Adar to the 30th of Nissan even though both are in a sense Erev Rosh Chodesh since they're both not the same day of the month or a Rosh Chodesh.</ref> | ||
'''Non-Established Veset for the 1st of the Month''' | '''Non-Established Veset for the 1st of the Month''' | ||
# If a woman saw on the 1st day of the month she is only concerned for the 1st day of the next month, independent of whether the months are complete or incomplete. | # If a woman saw on the 1st day of the month she is only concerned for the 1st day of the next month, independent of whether the months are complete or incomplete.<Ref>Badei Hashulchan 189:104, Otzrot Moshe Niddah v. 1 p. 231. Otzrot Moshe explains that if she saw on the 1st of Nissan we're not concerned for the 30th of Nissan, which is the first day of Rosh Chodesh Iyar even though she previously saw on Rosh Chodesh Nissan. This is against the implication of the Aruch Hashulchan 189:12 who holds that a veset can be established from the Rosh Chodesh to Rosh Chodesh even if they're different days of the month.</ref> | ||
'''Non-Established Veset for the 30th of the Month''' | '''Non-Established Veset for the 30th of the Month''' | ||
# If a woman saw on the 30th day of the month, if the next month would have 30 days she would be concerned for the 30th day. However, if the next month only has 29 days, which is the usual case, according to some poskim she has a non-established veset on the 29th day of the month, according to others she has a non-established veset on the 1st of the subsequent month, and some say she doesn't have to be concerned at all. [This is based on the usual arrangement of the calendar to have months of alternating lengths of 29 and 30.]<ref>Mishmeret Hatahara v. 1 p. 245-6 quotes that the Aruch Hashulchan 189:12 writes that she is concerned for the 29th since it is erev rosh chodesh. However, the Imrei Avraham 2 argues that we're concerned that since the 30th day of the first month was the first day of rosh chodesh the next period is expected on rosh chodesh even though there's only one day rosh chodesh. Lastly, the Pri Deah (Turei Kesef 189:17) understands the Bach as holding that there's no day to be concerned for since there is no 30th of the month this month. Badei Hashulchan (189:13 Biurim s.v. chosheshet p. 107) agrees that there's no such concept of being concerned for the last day of the month (like the Aruch Hashulchan) and expecting the period on a 29th because of seeing on the 30th last month. Also, there's no concept of being concerned from the 30th to the 1st of the subsequent month just because they're all rosh chodesh (like the Imrei Avraham), until it is a more established veset for rosh chodesh. He says that she should expect on the 30th of the next month. Meaning, if she saw on the 30th of Nissan, she's not concerned for the 29th of Iyar or the 1st of Sivan but is concerned for the 30th of Sivan. Nitai Gavriel 2:94:3 is concerned for both the 30th of the next month and the 1st of the subsequent one. In the footnote he cites Avnei Yishfeh 189 in the name of the Rav Ben Tzion Abba Shaul that she is concerned for anything. Badei Hashulchan cites Shevet Halevi 2:124 as lenient on the 29th.</ref> | # If a woman saw on the 30th day of the month, if the next month would have 30 days she would be concerned for the 30th day. However, if the next month only has 29 days, which is the usual case, according to some poskim she has a non-established veset on the 29th day of the month, according to others she has a non-established veset on the 1st of the subsequent month, and some say she doesn't have to be concerned at all. [This is based on the usual arrangement of the calendar to have months of alternating lengths of 29 and 30.]<ref>Mishmeret Hatahara v. 1 p. 245-6 quotes that the Aruch Hashulchan 189:12 writes that she is concerned for the 29th since it is erev rosh chodesh. However, the Imrei Avraham 2 argues that we're concerned that since the 30th day of the first month was the first day of rosh chodesh the next period is expected on rosh chodesh even though there's only one day rosh chodesh. Lastly, the Pri Deah (Turei Kesef 189:17) understands the Bach as holding that there's no day to be concerned for since there is no 30th of the month this month. Badei Hashulchan (189:13 Biurim s.v. chosheshet p. 107) agrees that there's no such concept of being concerned for the last day of the month (like the Aruch Hashulchan) and expecting the period on a 29th because of seeing on the 30th last month. Also, there's no concept of being concerned from the 30th to the 1st of the subsequent month just because they're all rosh chodesh (like the Imrei Avraham), until it is a more established veset for rosh chodesh. He says that she should expect on the 30th of the next month. Meaning, if she saw on the 30th of Nissan, she's not concerned for the 29th of Iyar or the 1st of Sivan but is concerned for the 30th of Sivan. Nitai Gavriel 2:94:3 is concerned for both the 30th of the next month and the 1st of the subsequent one. In the footnote he cites Avnei Yishfeh 189 in the name of the Rav Ben Tzion Abba Shaul that she is concerned for anything. Badei Hashulchan cites Shevet Halevi 2:124 as lenient on the 29th. Laws of Niddah (R' Forst, v. 1 p. 300) is lenient.</ref> | ||
'''Established Veset for Rosh Chodesh''' | '''Established Veset for Rosh Chodesh''' | ||
# In terms of creating a veset with Rosh Chodesh, if a woman saw on three rosh chodesh's she has a veset for rosh chodesh, even if one of them is on the first day of rosh chodesh and the other is on the second day of rosh chodesh. In all of these cases she should keep her veset for two days of rosh chodesh when rosh chodesh is two days. A few examples are if she saw on the: | # In terms of creating a veset with Rosh Chodesh, if a woman saw on three rosh chodesh's she has a veset for rosh chodesh, even if one of them is on the first day of rosh chodesh and the other is on the second day of rosh chodesh. In all of these cases she should keep her veset for two days of rosh chodesh when rosh chodesh is two days. A few examples are if she saw on the: | ||
