https://halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Netilat_Yadayim_upon_Waking_Up&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Netilat Yadayim upon Waking Up - Revision history2024-03-29T11:39:29ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.3https://halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Netilat_Yadayim_upon_Waking_Up&diff=17569&oldid=prevYitzchakSultan at 18:07, 31 July 20152015-07-31T18:07:54Z<p></p>
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</table>YitzchakSultanhttps://halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Netilat_Yadayim_upon_Waking_Up&diff=17568&oldid=prevYitzchakSultan at 18:06, 31 July 20152015-07-31T18:06:22Z<p></p>
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</table>YitzchakSultanhttps://halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Netilat_Yadayim_upon_Waking_Up&diff=17549&oldid=prevLygold123 at 13:39, 24 July 20152015-07-24T13:39:08Z<p></p>
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</table>Lygold123https://halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Netilat_Yadayim_upon_Waking_Up&diff=17548&oldid=prevLygold123 at 13:38, 24 July 20152015-07-24T13:38:19Z<p></p>
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</table>Lygold123https://halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Netilat_Yadayim_upon_Waking_Up&diff=17547&oldid=prevLygold123 at 13:36, 24 July 20152015-07-24T13:36:56Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Levi Goldman, you're right. Rav Schachter's anecdote was only regarding washing by the meal and the reasons as to why it can't apply do make sense. --[[User:YitzchakSultan|YitzchakSultan]] ([[User talk:YitzchakSultan|talk]]) 23:07, 23 July 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Levi Goldman, you're right. Rav Schachter's anecdote was only regarding washing by the meal and the reasons as to why it can't apply do make sense. --[[User:YitzchakSultan|YitzchakSultan]] ([[User talk:YitzchakSultan|talk]]) 23:07, 23 July 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Lygold123https://halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Netilat_Yadayim_upon_Waking_Up&diff=17544&oldid=prevYitzchakSultan at 03:07, 24 July 20152015-07-24T03:07:02Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* To YitzchakSultan: Are you sure this applies at all by netillas yadayim in the morning, when acc. to the Rosh the whole reason for the mitzvah is because the hands are NOT clean (and although it does seem from the rosh in Berachos 9:23 [see Agur hilchos tefillah 3] that <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">youre </del>allowed to make berachos in the morning with yadayim metunafos, the shulchan aruch clearly rules like the rashba that youre not allowed to), and therefore it should be assur to say any berachos prior thereof? And if you'll clean the hands first it should come out that you're not obligated in the mitzvah at all anymore acc. to the rosh. I'm pretty certain Rabbi Lebowitz's anecdote with Rav Schachter was by Netilas Yadayim for a seudah. [[User:LeviGoldman]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* To YitzchakSultan: Are you sure this applies at all by netillas yadayim in the morning, when acc. to the Rosh the whole reason for the mitzvah is because the hands are NOT clean (and although it does seem from the rosh in Berachos 9:23 [see Agur hilchos tefillah 3] that <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">you're </ins>allowed to make berachos in the morning with yadayim metunafos, the shulchan aruch clearly rules like the rashba that youre not allowed to), and therefore it should be assur to say any berachos prior thereof? And if you'll clean the hands first it should come out that you're not obligated in the mitzvah at all anymore acc. to the rosh. I'm pretty certain Rabbi Lebowitz's anecdote with Rav Schachter was by Netilas Yadayim for a seudah. [[User:LeviGoldman]]</div></td></tr>
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</table>YitzchakSultanhttps://halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Netilat_Yadayim_upon_Waking_Up&diff=17535&oldid=prevLygold123 at 20:46, 22 July 20152015-07-22T20:46:12Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Halacha Brurah 158:29 writes that the international minhag it to recite the bracha after washing before drying, but if one wanted to privately follow the Shulchan Aruch one would be permitted to do so.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Halacha Brurah 158:29 writes that the international minhag it to recite the bracha after washing before drying, but if one wanted to privately follow the Shulchan Aruch one would be permitted to do so.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Lygold123https://halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Netilat_Yadayim_upon_Waking_Up&diff=16782&oldid=prevYitzchakSultan: Created page with "* This practice of many Sephardim such as those from Colombia to make the Bracha before washing one’s hands, does not follow the opinion of the Rama who says you can make th..."2015-04-02T15:25:07Z<p>Created page with "* This practice of many Sephardim such as those from Colombia to make the Bracha before washing one’s hands, does not follow the opinion of the Rama who says you can make th..."</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>* This practice of many Sephardim such as those from Colombia to make the Bracha before washing one’s hands, does not follow the opinion of the Rama who says you can make the Bracha after washing but before drying. ~[[User:Yaabim]]<br />
* The practice of Rav Hershel Schachter is to recite the bracha before washing. However, the minhag in YU and most places in America is to recite the bracha after washing. --[[User:YitzchakSultan|YitzchakSultan]] ([[User talk:YitzchakSultan|talk]]) 11:25, 2 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Halacha Brurah 158:29 writes that the international minhag it to recite the bracha after washing before drying, but if one wanted to privately follow the Shulchan Aruch one would be permitted to do so.</div>YitzchakSultan