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# In Israel one does not eat or sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret (as it is no longer [[Sukkot]]). <ref>S"A 666:1, nitei Gavriel ([[Sukkot]] 81:4) </ref> | # In Israel one does not eat or sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret (as it is no longer [[Sukkot]]). <ref>S"A 666:1, nitei Gavriel ([[Sukkot]] 81:4) </ref> | ||
# In Israel, if one must eat or sleep in a [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret as there’s no room inside, then one should remove 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] to show that one doesn’t intend to add to the mitzvah ([[Baal Tosif]]). <Ref>S”A 666:1 writes that in Israel, if one must eat or sleep in a [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret as there’s no room inside, then one should remove 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] to show that one doesn’t intend to add to the mitzvah ([[Baal Tosif]]). Mishna Brurah 666:5 explains that there’s no real [[Bal Tosif]] since one doesn’t violate [[Bal Tosif]] unless one intends to add to the mitzvah while it isn't the time of the mitzvah, however, there is an issue of appearing like adding to the mitzvah which is only applicable on Shemini Aseret. | # In Israel, if one must eat or sleep in a [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret as there’s no room inside, then one should remove 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] to show that one doesn’t intend to add to the mitzvah ([[Baal Tosif]]). <Ref>S”A 666:1 writes that in Israel, if one must eat or sleep in a [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret as there’s no room inside, then one should remove 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] to show that one doesn’t intend to add to the mitzvah ([[Baal Tosif]]). Mishna Brurah 666:5 explains that there’s no real [[Bal Tosif]] since one doesn’t violate [[Bal Tosif]] unless one intends to add to the mitzvah while it isn't the time of the mitzvah, however, there is an issue of appearing like adding to the mitzvah which is only applicable on Shemini Aseret. Nitei Gavriel 81:4 writes simply that same needs to be done if one needs to sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret. see also [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/782472/Rabbi_Zvi_Sobolofsky/Simchas_Torah_-_How_to_'kosher'_a_Sukkah_for_Simchas_Torah Simchas Torah-How to 'kosher' a Sukkah for Simchas Torah] by Rabbi Zvi Sobolofsky</ref> | ||
# An alternative to removing [[S'chach]] is to put a tarp on top or below 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] as long as the tarp is within 3 [[Tefachim]] of the [[S'chach]]. <ref> Piskei Teshuvot 666:1 quotes the Bikurei Yacov 666:5 who says that using 4x4 invalid [[S'chach]] isn't sufficient against the Bigdei Yesha who permits but then adds that even the Bikurei Yacov agrees that putting a tarp 4x4 [[Tefachim]] on top or below the shach within 3 [[Tefachim]] of the [[S'chach]] is sufficient. </ref> | # An alternative to removing [[S'chach]] is to put a tarp on top or below 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] as long as the tarp is within 3 [[Tefachim]] of the [[S'chach]]. <ref> Piskei Teshuvot 666:1 quotes the Bikurei Yacov 666:5 who says that using 4x4 invalid [[S'chach]] isn't sufficient against the Bigdei Yesha who permits but then adds that even the Bikurei Yacov agrees that putting a tarp 4x4 [[Tefachim]] on top or below the shach within 3 [[Tefachim]] of the [[S'chach]] is sufficient. </ref> | ||
# It’s permissible to eat in the [[Sukkah]] after Shemini Aseret and it’s not an issue of [[Bal Tosif]]. <Ref> Rama 666:1 writes that it’s clear that one isn’t [[sitting in the Sukkah]] to fulfill the mitzvah after [[Sukkot]] and so there’s no issue of [[Bal Tosif]], however it would be an issue on Shemini Aseret because it’s so close to the holiday. </ref> | # It’s permissible to eat in the [[Sukkah]] after Shemini Aseret and it’s not an issue of [[Bal Tosif]]. <Ref> Rama 666:1 writes that it’s clear that one isn’t [[sitting in the Sukkah]] to fulfill the mitzvah after [[Sukkot]] and so there’s no issue of [[Bal Tosif]], however it would be an issue on Shemini Aseret because it’s so close to the holiday. </ref> | ||
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# Many poskim say that one shouldn't start the meal until it is certainly nightfall (i.e. [[Tzet HaKochavim]]). However, after the fact, if one did start the meal before one should not make the bracha of Leshev BaSukkah if one is [[eating in the Sukkah]]. <ref>Magan Avraham 668:3 quotes the Maharshal who writes that one shouldn't make [[Kiddish]] on Shemini Aseret until it is nightfall so as not to enter into a situation where there is a doubt if one will be able to make the bracha of Leshev BeSukkah. Many achronim including the Levush 668:1, Chaye Adam 153:5, Kitzur S"A 138:4, Aruch HaShulchan 668:6, Kaf HaChaim 668:10, Mishna Brurah 668:7, Nitei Gavriel 85:4, and Chazon Ovadyah (p. 669) agree. Chazon Ovadyah writes that there is even more reason for this law in Israel. [The term that the Magen Avraham uses, "Ad SheTechshach" in context clearly means certain nighttime which is after [[Tzet HaKochavim]]. This term is also used in the Mishna (Pesachim 99b) and there the Mishna Brurah 472:5 explains it to mean [[Tzet HaCochavim]].]</ref> | # Many poskim say that one shouldn't start the meal until it is certainly nightfall (i.e. [[Tzet HaKochavim]]). However, after the fact, if one did start the meal before one should not make the bracha of Leshev BaSukkah if one is [[eating in the Sukkah]]. <ref>Magan Avraham 668:3 quotes the Maharshal who writes that one shouldn't make [[Kiddish]] on Shemini Aseret until it is nightfall so as not to enter into a situation where there is a doubt if one will be able to make the bracha of Leshev BeSukkah. Many achronim including the Levush 668:1, Chaye Adam 153:5, Kitzur S"A 138:4, Aruch HaShulchan 668:6, Kaf HaChaim 668:10, Mishna Brurah 668:7, Nitei Gavriel 85:4, and Chazon Ovadyah (p. 669) agree. Chazon Ovadyah writes that there is even more reason for this law in Israel. [The term that the Magen Avraham uses, "Ad SheTechshach" in context clearly means certain nighttime which is after [[Tzet HaKochavim]]. This term is also used in the Mishna (Pesachim 99b) and there the Mishna Brurah 472:5 explains it to mean [[Tzet HaCochavim]].]</ref> | ||
# Similarly, one should not make [[Kiddush]] on the night of [[Simchat Torah]] before certain nightfall (i.e. [[Tzet HaCochavim]]). <Ref>Kaf HaChaim 668:10 quoting Ben Ish Chai (Vezot HaBrachot #13), Nitei Gavriel 92:2 </ref> | # Similarly, one should not make [[Kiddush]] on the night of [[Simchat Torah]] before certain nightfall (i.e. [[Tzet HaCochavim]]). <Ref>Kaf HaChaim 668:10 quoting Ben Ish Chai (Vezot HaBrachot #13), Nitei Gavriel 92:2 </ref> | ||
==Links== | |||
* [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/749239/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Sitting_in_Sukkah_on_Shemini_Atzeres Sitting in Sukkah on Shemini Atzeres] by Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz | |||
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