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==Eating and sleeping in the Sukkah==
==Eating and sleeping in the Sukkah==
===Outside Israel===
===Outside Israel===
# Outside Israel, on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] (first day of Shemini Aseret), one should eat in the [[Sukkah]] without a Bracha of Leshev BaSukkah.<Ref>Rambam ([[Sukkah]] 6:13), Tur and S”A 668:1 write that one should eat in the [[Sukkah]] on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] but not make a Bracha (based on Gemara [[Sukkot]] 47a). Kitzur S"A 138:4 agrees. </ref> There’s a minhag to be lenient regarding [[eating in the Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret, however, one should not follow this unless one has accepted this practice from his parents or rabbis. <Ref> There’s an old minhag to be lenient not to eat in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret from the time of Rashi recorded in Sefer HaPardes, Machzor Vitri (Siman 284), and Maharil (Hilchot [[lulav]]) (see Natai Gavreil (Arba Minim) Sh”t 4). The Piskei Teshuvot 668:1 brings in the name of the achronim that there’s room to be lenient since the Korban Netanel writes that the entire establishment of [[sitting in the Sukkah]] on the eighth day is based on the assumption that it’s comfortable and beloved to a person, however, if it’s cold or wind is present then one shouldn’t sit in the [[Sukkah]]. However, the Piskei Teshuvot concludes that one must be stringent based on the Sh”t Divrei Israel 1:200 that one shouldn't follow this minhag unless one has a tradition for it and it’s not comfortable outside. Aruch HaShulchan 668:3 writes that the gedolim have criticized those who just eat [[Kiddish]] in the [[Sukkah]] and then eat a meal inside. Mishna Brurah 668:5 also seems to hold that regarding eating one shouldn’t change from the ruling of S”A (which is based on an explicit gemara). Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 479) also rules like Shulchan Aruch.</ref>
# Outside Israel, on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] (first day of Shemini Aseret), one should eat in the [[Sukkah]] without a Bracha of Leshev BaSukkah.<Ref>Rambam ([[Sukkah]] 6:13), Tur and S”A 668:1 write that one should eat in the [[Sukkah]] on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] but not make a Bracha (based on Gemara [[Sukkot]] 47a). Kitzur S"A 138:4 agrees. </ref> There’s a minhag to be lenient regarding [[eating in the Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret, however, one should not follow this unless one has accepted this practice from his parents or rabbis. <Ref> There’s an old minhag to be lenient not to eat in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret from the time of Rashi recorded in Sefer HaPardes, Machzor Vitri (Siman 284), and Maharil (Hilchot [[lulav]]) (see nitei Gavriel (Arba Minim) Sh”t 4). The Piskei Teshuvot 668:1 brings in the name of the achronim that there’s room to be lenient since the Korban Netanel writes that the entire establishment of [[sitting in the Sukkah]] on the eighth day is based on the assumption that it’s comfortable and beloved to a person, however, if it’s cold or wind is present then one shouldn’t sit in the [[Sukkah]]. However, the Piskei Teshuvot concludes that one must be stringent based on the Sh”t Divrei Israel 1:200 that one shouldn't follow this minhag unless one has a tradition for it and it’s not comfortable outside. Aruch HaShulchan 668:3 writes that the gedolim have criticized those who just eat [[Kiddish]] in the [[Sukkah]] and then eat a meal inside. Mishna Brurah 668:5 also seems to hold that regarding eating one shouldn’t change from the ruling of S”A (which is based on an explicit gemara). Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 479) also rules like Shulchan Aruch.</ref>
# Regarding [[sleeping in the Sukkah]] on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] (Shemini Aseret), there’s a dispute in the achronim. The Ashkenazim minhag is not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]], while Sephardim hold that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. <Ref> Darkei Moshe 668:2 writes that there’s room to be lenient regarding sleeping outside the [[Sukkah]]. Kitzur S"A 138:5 writes that while the minhag is to be lenient about sleeping in the [[sukkah]], it's proper to be strict. Mishna Brurah 668:6 brings the opinion of the Gra who holds that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on the eighth day but concludes that the minhag is to be lenient not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. However, the Bet Yosef 668 writes that sleeping is no different than [[eating in the Sukkah]]. Therefore, Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 479) rules that Sephardim must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] like any other night of [[Sukkot]]. </ref>
# Regarding [[sleeping in the Sukkah]] on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] (Shemini Aseret), there’s a dispute in the achronim. The Ashkenazim minhag is not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]], while Sephardim hold that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. <Ref> Darkei Moshe 668:2 writes that there’s room to be lenient regarding sleeping outside the [[Sukkah]]. Kitzur S"A 138:5 writes that while the minhag is to be lenient about sleeping in the [[sukkah]], it's proper to be strict. Mishna Brurah 668:6 brings the opinion of the Gra who holds that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on the eighth day but concludes that the minhag is to be lenient not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. However, the Bet Yosef 668 writes that sleeping is no different than [[eating in the Sukkah]]. Therefore, Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 479) rules that Sephardim must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] like any other night of [[Sukkot]]. </ref>
===An American in Israel===
===An American in Israel===
# A Jew from outside Israel who is visiting Israel for [[Sukkot]] should not eat in the [[Sukkah]] if it’s difficult to sit alone in the [[Sukkah]]. <Ref> Natai Gavriel (Hilchot Arbah Minim Sh”t 8), Sh”t Minchat Yitzchak 9:54, [[Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach]] in Sh”t Minchat Shlomo 1:19, [[Rabbi Ovadyah Yosef]] in Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 480-1), Ot Hei LeOlam (vol 2 pg 87c; quoted by Sdei Chemed [[Sukkah]] 1)</ref> However, if he is alone anyway, such as if he’s in a hotel, Sephardim holds that he should eat in the [[Sukkah]], while Ashkenazim hold that in Israel one doesn't sit in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret. <Ref> Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 480-1) writes explicitly that if it’s not difficult to eat in the [[Sukkah]] such as one is staying by himself then he should sit in the [[Sukkah]]. However, Sh”t Minchat Shlomo 1:19 exempts such a person in all circumstances. So writes the Piskei Teshuvot 668:2 in name of Sh”t Minchat Yitzchak and Sh”t Minchat Shlomo. </ref>
# A Jew from outside Israel who is visiting Israel for [[Sukkot]] should not eat in the [[Sukkah]] if it’s difficult to sit alone in the [[Sukkah]]. <Ref> nitei Gavriel (Hilchot Arbah Minim Sh”t 8), Sh”t Minchat Yitzchak 9:54, [[Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach]] in Sh”t Minchat Shlomo 1:19, [[Rabbi Ovadyah Yosef]] in Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 480-1), Ot Hei LeOlam (vol 2 pg 87c; quoted by Sdei Chemed [[Sukkah]] 1)</ref> However, if he is alone anyway, such as if he’s in a hotel, Sephardim holds that he should eat in the [[Sukkah]], while Ashkenazim hold that in Israel one doesn't sit in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret. <Ref> Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 480-1) writes explicitly that if it’s not difficult to eat in the [[Sukkah]] such as one is staying by himself then he should sit in the [[Sukkah]]. However, Sh”t Minchat Shlomo 1:19 exempts such a person in all circumstances. So writes the Piskei Teshuvot 668:2 in name of Sh”t Minchat Yitzchak and Sh”t Minchat Shlomo. </ref>
===In Israel===
===In Israel===
# In Israel one does not eat or sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret (as it is no longer [[Sukkot]]). <ref>S"A 666:1, Natai Gavriel ([[Sukkot]] 81:4) </ref>
# In Israel one does not eat or sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret (as it is no longer [[Sukkot]]). <ref>S"A 666:1, nitei Gavriel ([[Sukkot]] 81:4) </ref>
# In Israel, if one must eat or sleep in a [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret as there’s no room inside, then one should remove 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] to show that one doesn’t intend to add to the mitzvah (Baal Tosif). <Ref>S”A 666:1 writes that in Israel, if one must eat or sleep in a [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret as there’s no room inside, then one should remove 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] to show that one doesn’t intend to add to the mitzvah (Baal Tosif). Mishna Brurah 666:5 explains that there’s no real Bal Tosif since one doesn’t violate Bal Tosif unless one intends to add to the mitzvah while it isn't the time of the mitzvah, however, there is an issue of appearing like adding to the mitzvah which is only applicable on Shemini Aseret. Natai Gavriel 81:4 writes simply that same needs to be done if one needs to sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret.</ref>
# In Israel, if one must eat or sleep in a [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret as there’s no room inside, then one should remove 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] to show that one doesn’t intend to add to the mitzvah (Baal Tosif). <Ref>S”A 666:1 writes that in Israel, if one must eat or sleep in a [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret as there’s no room inside, then one should remove 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] to show that one doesn’t intend to add to the mitzvah (Baal Tosif). Mishna Brurah 666:5 explains that there’s no real Bal Tosif since one doesn’t violate Bal Tosif unless one intends to add to the mitzvah while it isn't the time of the mitzvah, however, there is an issue of appearing like adding to the mitzvah which is only applicable on Shemini Aseret. nitei Gavriel 81:4 writes simply that same needs to be done if one needs to sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret.</ref>
# An alternative to removing [[S'chach]] is to put a tarp on top or below 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] as long as the tarp is within 3 [[Tefachim]] of the [[S'chach]]. <ref>Piskei Teshuvot Piskei Teshuvot 666:1 quotes the Bikurei Yacov 666:5 who says that using 4x4 invalid [[S'chach]] isn't sufficient against the Bigdei Yesha who permits but then adds that even the Bikurei Yacov agrees that putting a tarp 4x4 [[Tefachim]] on top or below the shach within 3 [[Tefachim]] of the [[S'chach]] is sufficient. </ref>
# An alternative to removing [[S'chach]] is to put a tarp on top or below 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] as long as the tarp is within 3 [[Tefachim]] of the [[S'chach]]. <ref> Piskei Teshuvot 666:1 quotes the Bikurei Yacov 666:5 who says that using 4x4 invalid [[S'chach]] isn't sufficient against the Bigdei Yesha who permits but then adds that even the Bikurei Yacov agrees that putting a tarp 4x4 [[Tefachim]] on top or below the shach within 3 [[Tefachim]] of the [[S'chach]] is sufficient. </ref>
# It’s permissible to eat in the [[Sukkah]] after Shemini Aseret and it’s not an issue of Bal Tosif. <Ref> Rama 666:1 writes that it’s clear that one isn’t [[sitting in the Sukkah]] to fulfill the mitzvah after [[Sukkot]] and so there’s no issue of Bal Tosif, however it would be an issue on Shemini Aseret because it’s so close to the holiday. </ref>
# It’s permissible to eat in the [[Sukkah]] after Shemini Aseret and it’s not an issue of Bal Tosif. <Ref> Rama 666:1 writes that it’s clear that one isn’t [[sitting in the Sukkah]] to fulfill the mitzvah after [[Sukkot]] and so there’s no issue of Bal Tosif, however it would be an issue on Shemini Aseret because it’s so close to the holiday. </ref>
# It’s permissible to eat or sleep in the [[Sukkah]] before [[Sukkot]] (erev [[Sukkot]]) and it’s not an issue of Bal Tosif. <Ref> Chazon Ovadyah pg 481 holds that’s there no issue of Bal Tosif before the mitzvah was done. Interestingly, Piskei Teshuvot 666:1 raises this issue (writes that it’s strange that no one addresses this issue) and concludes leniently and adds that it’s preferable to eat a meal or snack ([[KeBaytzah]] of [[mezonot]]) outside the [[Sukkah]] after [[eating in the Sukkah]] to show that one clearly doesn’t want to add to the mitzvah. </ref>
# It’s permissible to eat or sleep in the [[Sukkah]] before [[Sukkot]] (erev [[Sukkot]]) and it’s not an issue of Bal Tosif. <Ref> Chazon Ovadyah pg 481 holds that’s there no issue of Bal Tosif before the mitzvah was done. Interestingly, Piskei Teshuvot 666:1 raises this issue (writes that it’s strange that no one addresses this issue) and concludes leniently and adds that it’s preferable to eat a meal or snack ([[KeBaytzah]] of [[mezonot]]) outside the [[Sukkah]] after [[eating in the Sukkah]] to show that one clearly doesn’t want to add to the mitzvah. </ref>