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==Kiddush==
==Kiddush==
# There is no obligation to do [[Kiddush]] at Suedat Shelishit, but it is nice to make a beracha on wine during the meal. <ref> Yalkut Yosef ([[shabbat]] volume 1 page 405). Shulchan Aruch 291:4 says you do not need to say [[Kiddush]] for seudat shlishit, and Mishna Brurah 291:21 adds that it is nice to make the beracha on wine because it enhances the meal. Rambam [[Shabbat]] 30:9 says that we establish the third meal with lechem mishne and wine. The Tur 291 says that this sounds like we should say [[Kiddush]] on seudat shlishit as well, but says that the Rosh disagrees because just like there is only one [[Kiddush]] at night, so too in the day. The Beit Yosef 291 says since most rishonim hold that we don't say [[Kiddush]], it is unnecessary, but you don't lose anything if you do. Rav Avigdor Neventzal in the Biyitzchak Yikare edition of the Mishna Brurah 291:4 footnote “ein tzarich” says that Rav Shlomo Zalman did drink wine during the meal, and adds that if one person says the beracha out loud, everybody fulfills the rambam that one should establish his meal on wine. </ref>
# There is no obligation to do [[Kiddush]] at Suedat Shelishit, but it is nice to make a beracha on wine during the meal. <ref> Yalkut Yosef ([[shabbat]] volume 1 page 405). Shulchan Aruch 291:4 says you do not need to say [[Kiddush]] for seudat shlishit, and Mishna Brurah 291:21 adds that it is nice to make the beracha on wine because it enhances the meal. Rambam [[Shabbat]] 30:9 says that we establish the third meal with lechem mishne and wine. The Tur 291 cites the Rambam 30:9 as holding that one should recite kiddush at seudat shelishit. The Bet Yosef points out that he isn't sure how the Rambam implies that. In any event, most rishonim disagree. Bet Yosef cites the Rabbenu Yerucham 12:65, Mordechai Shabbat 397, Rashba (Meyuchas lRamban 210), and Rabbenu Yonah 36b s.v. birchat as holding there's no kiddush for seudat shelishit. Shibolei Haleket 93 explains that just like there is only a mitzvah of kiddush once at night there's only a mitzvah derabbanan of kiddush once by day. Also, he explains that once midday of Shabbat has passed there is intrinsic kedusha to the day and it is unnecessary to declare it holy with kiddush. The Beit Yosef 291 says since most rishonim hold that we don't say [[Kiddush]], it is unnecessary, but you don't lose anything if you do. Shulchan Aruch 291:4 rules that seuda shelishit doesn't need kiddush. Rav Avigdor Neventzal in the Biyitzchak Yikare edition of the Mishna Brurah 291:4 footnote “ein tzarich” says that Rav Shlomo Zalman did drink wine during the meal, and adds that if one person says the beracha out loud, everybody fulfills the rambam that one should establish his meal on wine. </ref>


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