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==Birkat Hamazon==
==Birkat Hamazon==
#One is obligated to say ritze vihachalitzenu after eating seudat shlishit during [[Birkat HaMazon]] as well as adding yaale viyavo on rosh chodesh or chol hamoed. <ref> Yalkut Yosef Shabbat volume 1 page 410. </ref> This applies even if the meal continued past [[Tzet HaKochavim]]. <ref> Yalkut Yosef shabbat 1 page 414 </ref>
#One is obligated to say ritze vihachalitzenu after eating seudat shlishit during [[Birkat HaMazon]] as well as adding [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] on rosh chodesh or chol hamoed. <ref> Yalkut Yosef Shabbat volume 1 page 410. </ref> This applies even if the meal continued past [[Tzet HaKochavim]]. <ref> Yalkut Yosef shabbat 1 page 414 </ref>
#If he forgot to say it and remembered:
#If he forgot to say it and remembered:
## after finishing boneh yerushalayim but before the next beracha he should insert there a beracha instead of ritze "Baruch Ata Hashem Elokenu Melech Ha'olam Asher Natan Shabbatot Le'menucha Le'amo Yisrael Be'ahava Le'ot U'berit Baruch Ata Hashem Mekadesh Ha'Shabbat."
## after finishing boneh yerushalayim but before the next beracha he should insert there a beracha instead of ritze "Baruch Ata Hashem Elokenu Melech Ha'olam Asher Natan Shabbatot Le'menucha Le'amo Yisrael Be'ahava Le'ot U'berit Baruch Ata Hashem Mekadesh Ha'Shabbat."
## after beginning the fourth beracha he should just continue and not repeat. <ref> This is because there are opinions that one is not obligated to eat bread at seudat shlishit and Mishna Berura 188:26 says that if the meal is not obligatory you don't return for missing ritzei. Mishna Berura 291:6 based on Shaare Teshuva 291:1, Yalkut Yosef shabbat 1 page 411. For the rules for the first two meals see [http://www.dailyhalacha.com/m/halacha.aspx?id=1198 Rabbi Mansour on Dailyhalacha.com]. </ref>  
## after beginning the fourth beracha he should just continue and not repeat. <ref> This is because there are opinions that one is not obligated to eat bread at seudat shlishit and Mishna Berura 188:26 says that if the meal is not obligatory you don't return for missing ritzei. Mishna Berura 291:6 based on Shaare Teshuva 291:1, Yalkut Yosef shabbat 1 page 411. For the rules for the first two meals see [http://www.dailyhalacha.com/m/halacha.aspx?id=1198 Rabbi Mansour on Dailyhalacha.com]. </ref>  
## Women should only say the beracha without Hashem's name or just continue onward even if she remembered before starting the fourth beracha. <ref> Yalkut Yosef shabbat 1 page 412. </ref>
## Women should only say the beracha without Hashem's name or just continue onward even if she remembered before starting the fourth beracha. <ref> Yalkut Yosef shabbat 1 page 412. </ref>
#When rosh chodesh or the first day of chanuka falls out on sunday even if the seuda continued until after dark one doesn't say yaale viyavo. <ref> Yalkut Yosef shabbat 1 page 412. </ref>
#When rosh chodesh or the first day of chanuka falls out on sunday even if the seuda continued until after dark one doesn't say [[Yaaleh VeYavo]]. <ref> Yalkut Yosef shabbat 1 page 412. </ref>
==Kiddush==
==Kiddush==
# There is no obligation to do Kiddush at Suedat Shelishit, but it is nice to make a beracha on wine during the meal. <ref> Yalkut Yosef shabbat volume 1 page 405. Shulchan Aruch 291:4 says you do not need to say kiddush for seudat shlishit, and Mishna Berura 291:21 adds that it is nice to make the beracha on wine because it enhances the meal. Rambam [[Shabbat]] 30:9 says that we establish the third meal with lechem mishne and wine. The Tur 291 says that this sounds like we should say kiddush on seudat shlishit as well, but says that the Rosh disagrees because just like there is only one kiddush at night, so too in the day. The Beit Yosef 291 says since most rishonim hold that we don't say kiddush, it is unnecessary, but you don't lose anything if you do. Rav Avigdor Neventzal in the Biyitzchak Yikare edition of the Mishna Berura 291:4 footnote “ein tzarich” says that Rav Shlomo Zalman did drink wine during the meal, and adds that if one person says the beracha out loud, everybody fulfills the rambam that one should establish his meal on wine. </ref>
# There is no obligation to do Kiddush at Suedat Shelishit, but it is nice to make a beracha on wine during the meal. <ref> Yalkut Yosef shabbat volume 1 page 405. Shulchan Aruch 291:4 says you do not need to say kiddush for seudat shlishit, and Mishna Berura 291:21 adds that it is nice to make the beracha on wine because it enhances the meal. Rambam [[Shabbat]] 30:9 says that we establish the third meal with lechem mishne and wine. The Tur 291 says that this sounds like we should say kiddush on seudat shlishit as well, but says that the Rosh disagrees because just like there is only one kiddush at night, so too in the day. The Beit Yosef 291 says since most rishonim hold that we don't say kiddush, it is unnecessary, but you don't lose anything if you do. Rav Avigdor Neventzal in the Biyitzchak Yikare edition of the Mishna Berura 291:4 footnote “ein tzarich” says that Rav Shlomo Zalman did drink wine during the meal, and adds that if one person says the beracha out loud, everybody fulfills the rambam that one should establish his meal on wine. </ref>