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## after beginning the fourth beracha he should just continue and not repeat. <ref> This is because there are opinions that one is not obligated to eat bread at seudat shlishit and Mishna Brurah 188:26 says that if the meal is not obligatory you don't return for missing ritzei. Mishna Brurah 291:6 based on Shaare Teshuva 291:1, Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] 1 page 411. For the rules for the first two meals see [http://www.dailyhalacha.com/m/halacha.aspx?id=1198 Rabbi Mansour on Dailyhalacha.com]. </ref> | ## after beginning the fourth beracha he should just continue and not repeat. <ref> This is because there are opinions that one is not obligated to eat bread at seudat shlishit and Mishna Brurah 188:26 says that if the meal is not obligatory you don't return for missing ritzei. Mishna Brurah 291:6 based on Shaare Teshuva 291:1, Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] 1 page 411. For the rules for the first two meals see [http://www.dailyhalacha.com/m/halacha.aspx?id=1198 Rabbi Mansour on Dailyhalacha.com]. </ref> | ||
## Women should only say the beracha without Hashem's name or just continue onward even if she remembered before starting the fourth beracha. <ref> Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] 1 page 412. </ref> | ## Women should only say the beracha without Hashem's name or just continue onward even if she remembered before starting the fourth beracha. <ref> Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] 1 page 412. </ref> | ||
#When [[rosh chodesh]] or the first day of [[chanuka]] falls out on | #When [[rosh chodesh]], [[purim]], or the first day of [[chanuka]] falls out on Sunday even if the Seudah continued until after dark one doesn't say [[Yaaleh VeYavo]] in [[Birkat HaMazon]]. <ref> Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] 1 page 412. </ref> | ||
==Kiddush== | ==Kiddush== | ||
# There is no obligation to do [[Kiddush]] at Suedat Shelishit, but it is nice to make a beracha on wine during the meal. <ref> Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] volume 1 page 405. Shulchan Aruch 291:4 says you do not need to say [[Kiddush]] for seudat shlishit, and Mishna Brurah 291:21 adds that it is nice to make the beracha on wine because it enhances the meal. Rambam [[Shabbat]] 30:9 says that we establish the third meal with lechem mishne and wine. The Tur 291 says that this sounds like we should say [[Kiddush]] on seudat shlishit as well, but says that the Rosh disagrees because just like there is only one [[Kiddush]] at night, so too in the day. The Beit Yosef 291 says since most rishonim hold that we don't say [[Kiddush]], it is unnecessary, but you don't lose anything if you do. Rav Avigdor Neventzal in the Biyitzchak Yikare edition of the Mishna Brurah 291:4 footnote “ein tzarich” says that Rav Shlomo Zalman did drink wine during the meal, and adds that if one person says the beracha out loud, everybody fulfills the rambam that one should establish his meal on wine. </ref> | # There is no obligation to do [[Kiddush]] at Suedat Shelishit, but it is nice to make a beracha on wine during the meal. <ref> Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] volume 1 page 405. Shulchan Aruch 291:4 says you do not need to say [[Kiddush]] for seudat shlishit, and Mishna Brurah 291:21 adds that it is nice to make the beracha on wine because it enhances the meal. Rambam [[Shabbat]] 30:9 says that we establish the third meal with lechem mishne and wine. The Tur 291 says that this sounds like we should say [[Kiddush]] on seudat shlishit as well, but says that the Rosh disagrees because just like there is only one [[Kiddush]] at night, so too in the day. The Beit Yosef 291 says since most rishonim hold that we don't say [[Kiddush]], it is unnecessary, but you don't lose anything if you do. Rav Avigdor Neventzal in the Biyitzchak Yikare edition of the Mishna Brurah 291:4 footnote “ein tzarich” says that Rav Shlomo Zalman did drink wine during the meal, and adds that if one person says the beracha out loud, everybody fulfills the rambam that one should establish his meal on wine. </ref> | ||
